Is Nevets in the minority?

[say again]

That's great for you, but 90% of us don't. Don't forget that people without your seniority have a much tougher life, and would be better off at a major.

Exactly. It's the selfish mentality that causes/d some of the contract issues we have today. Don't get me wrong, outside influence has caused them as well, but pilots are there own worst enemy.

 

[JumpersAway]

Not at all.

In 2003 there probably were a third as many RJs as now, and probably a tenth as many RJs over 50 seats.

There was much less competition between regional airlines in the late 90s and early 2000s, and it was easier to get feed contracts favorable to the regional partner.

Now with everybody underbidding each other to stay employed, as well as stupid ideas like "let's get the airplanes now and work on the payrates later" (I'm looking at you RAH and SKW), it's going to be damn near impossible to ever move the bar forward in regional contracts.

It's impossible to "move the bar foward" in this environment. Even if you got every regional to systematically up the payrates, some clown would merely provided what the market place (mainline airlines) needed- by starting another regional from scratch to suit the need. The only way to keep the bar moving foward is to tie the regionals, lock, stock, and barrel, to their mainline partners. As much as Joe Merchant is disliked, the man understands this and has the entire picture. This is where "brand scope" comes in to play, and the exact reason that we need to work WITH our mainline partners to stop the low pay issues................

 

[crj567]

It's impossible to "move the bar foward" in this environment. Even if you got every regional to systematically up the payrates, some clown would merely provided what the market place (mainline airlines) needed- by starting another regional from scratch to suit the need. The only way to keep the bar moving foward is to tie the regionals, lock, stock, and barrel, to their mainline partners. As much as Joe Merchant is disliked, the man understands this and has the entire picture. This is where "brand scope" comes in to play, and the exact reason that we need to work WITH our mainline partners to stop the low pay issues................

I can see you don't know much about Joe's history.....

-Maybe you should ask Joe why he resigned from the union-without serving in his elected position.

(Hint: I know the answer, and I think it has a lot to do with why "brand scope" will never, ever happen here.)

 

[79%N1]

Just because JoeM did something in his past does not mean some of his obsevations on the plight of the Regional industry are not correct. He seems to understand the challenges and hurdles we face due to the "portfolio concept". Just because you don't like something he may have done does not make him entirely wrong. And until all DCI are attached to Delta in some way together (read brand scope) then it won't change or improve. American will always bring in a TSA. Continental will bring in a Colgan or CHQ. There is always Mesa lurking to undercut your company and drive down your bargaining power. How is he at all wrong about this?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

American will always bring in a TSA. Continental will bring in a Colgan or CHQ. There is always Mesa lurking to undercut your company and drive down your bargaining power. How is he at all wrong about this?

He's not wrong. Well, about the above anyway.

Its just that reality is an awfully big horse-pill for some people to swallow.

 

[crj567]

Just because JoeM did something in his past does not mean some of his obsevations on the plight of the Regional industry are not correct. He seems to understand the challenges and hurdles we face due to the "portfolio concept". Just because you don't like something he may have done does not make him entirely wrong. And until all DCI are attached to Delta in some way together (read brand scope) then it won't change or improve. American will always bring in a TSA. Continental will bring in a Colgan or CHQ. There is always Mesa lurking to undercut your company and drive down your bargaining power. How is he at all wrong about this?

Joe is playing nice right now... I think he is planning on another run at the union. Before you think you know the guy, you should really ask some people about his past. Anyone who has ever attempted to do what he and a few others did doesn't get my vote. Not now, not ever.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

time that they share it with there pilots.[/QUOTE]

SkyWest should only share with pilots who know the difference between Their and there.

Pilots this stupid do not deserve respect.

Bob

 

[JumpersAway]

[/U][/B]

I can see you don't know much about Joe's history.....

-Maybe you should ask Joe why he resigned from the union-without serving in his elected position.

(Hint: I know the answer, and I think it has a lot to do with why "brand scope" will never, ever happen here.)

I don't care about Joe's history- I care about Joe's point. Yes, I'm aware of the "controversy". Me personally, I'm more concerned with the "now", rather than the "then". He's got points, regardless of wheather you like the guy or not- it's just prudent logic to see the need to tie regionals to their mainline partners to raise the bar.

 

[ASABound]

Let me just remind everyone amongst this very important discussion. MESA SUCKS!!!

 

[Medeco]

Just because JoeM did something in his past does not mean some of his obsevations on the plight of the Regional industry are not correct. He seems to understand the challenges and hurdles we face due to the "portfolio concept". Just because you don't like something he may have done does not make him entirely wrong. And until all DCI are attached to Delta in some way together (read brand scope) then it won't change or improve. American will always bring in a TSA. Continental will bring in a Colgan or CHQ. There is always Mesa lurking to undercut your company and drive down your bargaining power. How is he at all wrong about this?

+1

If he is so wrong, prove it with facts.

BTW, how much bonus money did XJT payout to pilots in 2009 and 2010?

 

[ERfly]

+1

If he is so wrong, prove it with facts.

BTW, how much bonus money did XJT payout to pilots in 2009 and 2010?

We got a plastic model of the branded airplane in 2007. Squat in 2008, 2009 and thus far in 2010.

 

[johnpeace]

I guess where I and a few XJT guys have a problem with you is that you are so willing to cave and not fight for a fair wage or QOL.

I thought our 2007 contract was a HUGE step forward and that it brought us fair wages and QOL...and a company that can make money and grow.

I'd rather work for a growing, profitable company than the (shrinking) company that had 1-2% higher pay rates.

When have we been asked for concessions!?

 

[79%N1]

So my $2400 gross payout for profit sharing and performance makes up for the $2 whole dollars per hour an XJT Capt makes over me? Or makes up for the money XJT makes over me in vacation pay. Now, lets add in the soft pay like the 2:1 duty rigs (1:1 after 12 hours) and min day that adds hours to my credit every month, and ASA pilots may just be compensated as well as - or better than - XJT pilots.

 

[ASABound]

79% N1, dont sugar coat it dude our duty rig is scheduled only not actual, we are getting screwed as much as we exceed our "scheduled duty day" you are drinking the cool aid !!

 

[79%N1]

Ok, that's fine. But, why do I routinely block 80 hours or so and get paid 92-95, on average? There is soft pay in our contract that adds up each month.