Is it true that a 7 year Flex guy went to Net Jets?

[Diesel]

marquis is the same as any other owner. They sit in the back. Problem is marquis is like renting a car vs owning it. Owners tend to understand that someone else will be using the plane when they are done. Marquis well....

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

I have heard of a few cases where senior Flex Captains have been given their walking papers after only a minor infraction of the SOP's, etc.

Can it be Flex tries to keep the "fat cat" Captains from decreasing their bottom line? Less expensive to upgrade a F/O and pay em less than to keep these 7-10 year Captains?

PS all three of these Captains were less than a month from recurrent training...HHmmm

 

[nipper]

What the hell do you care? If the #1 guy at Delta or whatever wants to quit to go fly a dam-n 1900 at Great Lakes, that's his business and his decision. STFU and mind you own dam-n affairs.

Don't have a fit, fella. I was simply stating this as it is a surprize that FJ management is continuing to allow this situation to go on. You might need to give yourself a hand in order to relax a little. Don't forget the complimentary hand lotion.:uzi:

 

[CL604DRVR]

Don't have a fit, fella. I was simply stating this as it is a surprize that FJ management is continuing to allow this situation to go on. You might need to give yourself a hand in order to relax a little. Don't forget the complimentary hand lotion.:uzi:

Flex management has known this was comming for years, in fact they created this mess by telling folks that worked there "don't you worry whatever happpens over at NJA we will take care of you". They knew then that they were not going to do any such thing and now the day of reckoning for that policy is here. Remember Flex is run by former commuter airline guys and commuter airlines and long term employees are not generally used in the same sentence unless the words do not have are between them. In my opinion I belive that Flex management belives that pilots are like engines... run em out and replace em.

 

[gipper6]

Kudos to this guy for having more sac than just about anyone around. The fact that someone would leave is the ultimate litmus test for the current state of affairs at FlexJet. Too many broken promises, too little employee appreciation, same old schedule, diminishing benefits, downsizing crew meals.... he's not a genius, he's just plane old smart.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Don't have a fit, fella. I was simply stating this as it is a surprize that FJ management is continuing to allow this situation to go on. You might need to give yourself a hand in order to relax a little. Don't forget the complimentary hand lotion.:uzi:

CapnVegnetto is just a little off this week....his sister got new dentures and it just aint the same...

 

[CapnVegetto]

CapnVegnetto is just a little off this week....his sister got new dentures and it just aint the same...

Nooo nooo.....that was your wife. I will miss the gums though.

 

[Semore Butts]

Say what you will....

I left Flex for NJA.

I like it much better at NJA.

Please don't sit at Flex and tell me how stupid I am, you can never know because you haven't done it.

This conversation never goes anywhere. I am happy you are happy at Flex. I have alot of buddies there. To all my buddies at Flex, Merry Christmas, I'm alive and well at NJA.

 

[Necromonger]

To Answer your question.

Is this true? I can't believe it!!! I'm not sure how to react to this!

Yes.
He is still here now. But will be leaving soon. A 7 year Flex guy. Good Capt. in the 60.. He will be missed.
The writing's on the wall. Take the time to read it.
imp:

 

[nipper]

Yes.
He is still here now. But will be leaving soon. A 7 year Flex guy. Good Capt. in the 60.. He will be missed.
The writing's on the wall. Take the time to read it.
imp:

Maybe when the company gets sold off things will improve. What's the writing on the wall say about that?

 

[gipper6]

Midnightflyer you're a total moron and have no credibility. The 7 year FlexJet Captain has more balls than anyone on this forum. Truth is, we need more guys like him to take a stand against this historic aviation backslide, send a shot across the bow of management and let them know how we feel. Midnightflyer - your're a simple coward who hides in the shadows of those with tremendous courage. I'm sure you'd be happy to take any improvements to your miserable life by those who put it all on the line to help raise the bar. The old addage "It takes one to know one" rings quite true in this regard. The FlexJet guy has balls and you don't.

 

[ArtVandalay]

He must have left for pure QOL issues because he will never make up the money he is losing over the next few years.

 

[G100driver]

Maybe when the company gets sold off things will improve. What's the writing on the wall say about that?

Interesting thought. Just ask the guys at TWA, PSA, Western Airlines, Peidmont (the original), Republic (they are still bitter) about how things improved for them.

 

[miles otoole]

Midnightflyer you're a total moron and have no credibility. The 7 year FlexJet Captain has more balls than anyone on this forum. Truth is, we need more guys like him to take a stand against this historic aviation backslide, send a shot across the bow of management and let them know how we feel. Midnightflyer - your're a simple coward who hides in the shadows of those with tremendous courage. I'm sure you'd be happy to take any improvements to your miserable life by those who put it all on the line to help raise the bar. The old addage "It takes one to know one" rings quite true in this regard. The FlexJet guy has balls and you don't.

I'm sure the 4 year WN guys I still talk to who who left for UAL and DAL are proud of their decision. Didn't Flex have a higher payscale than NJ for the past 4-5 years? Were the Flex pilots upset then? The big question is-can NJ really afford this? If their prices are then 25-30% higher than others, I doubt most CFOs who have more influence in companies fiscal decisions than ever before can recommend paying 30% more for the same product. Afer all, in 2005 more CEOs left or were forced out of their positions (over 1200 publically traded companies) than in any other year. The primary driver was fiduciary irresponsibility.

The guy does have cojones. He's taking a huge risk. What happens if in the very good possibility that Flexjet gets a union in the next year or two and has to match or get close to NJ? He'll be seeing the right seat of a 400 for the next 5 -6 years. WOW!

 

[gunfyter]

Miles

You can more than make up that money by moving to Columbus and becoming an Assistant Chief Pilot. Many have done so in less than a year. Maybe he has been told he has a shot at a management job.

There are not so many of us with 7+ yrs of fractional Experience.

 

[CL604DRVR]

He must have left for pure QOL issues because he will never make up the money he is losing over the next few years.

Money ain't all it's cracked up to be especially if you have to give 20% more time to the company to get it and pay big money for your health care. As for the 400 there was no one in my Dec indoc class in the 400 and only 2 in the ultra and they were hired before ratification. Lots of folks going to larger aircraft now.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Miles

You can more than make up that money by moving to Columbus and becoming an Assistant Chief Pilot. Many have done so in less than a year. Maybe he has been told he has a shot at a management job.

There are not so many of us with 7+ yrs of fractional Experience.

Mmmmmmmm. Not from what I hear. Those guys were just offered Reverve pay for their year and pay class plus 2 extended days. Hell, they can make that on the road.

Maybe if they were looking at the ACP money from the standpoint of getting a quick upgrade to act as an ACP rather than flying as F/O for a few years until normal upgrade.

I think that would be damn hard to be a new NJA pilot and suddenly be an effective ACP. Few, if any, can do it and be a good ACP.

 

[gunfyter]

Mmmmmmmm. Not from what I hear. Those guys were just offered Reverve pay for their year and pay class plus 2 extended days. Hell, they can make that on the road.

Maybe if they were looking at the ACP money from the standpoint of getting a quick upgrade to act as an ACP rather than flying as F/O for a few years until normal upgrade.

I think that would be dang hard to be a new NJA pilot and suddenly be an effective ACP. Few, if any, can do it and be a good ACP.

I think a guy with 7 yrs fractional experience could do it easliy....

 

[vetrider]

Some people are just bound and determined that the grass is always greener somewhere else.

 

[nipper]

I'm sure the 4 year WN guys I still talk to who who left for UAL and DAL are proud of their decision. Didn't Flex have a higher payscale than NJ for the past 4-5 years?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you heard the term "daily rate"?