Is Delta taking this from the NW playbook?

[whymeworry?]

Seems the big hogs up in DAL mgmt have yet to learn from NW's mistakes (read: refusal to hike fares in line with costs). No wonder our industry suffers from a severe lack of pricing power. The weak get to play the courts to fvck the employees and creditors while they exploit the entire pricing system.

What say you, General?


Press ReleaseSource: Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Delta Offers Customers Holiday Sale Air Fares from New York-JFK `Across the Pond'
Monday December 5, 10:42 am ET
Special air fares, bonus SkyMiles highlight Delta's trans-Atlantic routes from JFK hub
NEW YORK, Dec. 5, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- Delta Air Lines -- becoming the world's largest trans-Atlantic airline -- invites customers to consider giving the gift of travel and adventure this holiday season to some of the 14 exciting trans-Atlantic destinations served from Delta's hub at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. Beginning today, Delta is offering special, low air fares for a limited time from JFK to all the great destinations served in Europe for travel between Dec. 26, 2005 and March 31, 2006.
Customers must purchase tickets by Dec. 15, 2005, and travel for all destinations must be completed by April 30, 2006. As an added bonus, customers will earn 1,000 SkyMiles(r) for each flown round-trip ticket purchased on delta.com.
Delta offers more trans-Atlantic service at JFK than any other airline, and offers total international service from JFK averaging 16 daily flights to 20 destinations in 14 countries, including Canada, the Caribbean and Latin America. For special travel deals to many of these destinations, as well as travel tips and other information, visit delta.com.
Trans-Atlantic one-way sale air fares (based on a round-trip purchase) from New York-JFK to: -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Amsterdam, The Netherlands $165 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Athens, Greece $268 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Barcelona, Spain $193 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Berlin $188 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Brussels, Belgium $181 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Frankfurt, Germany $175 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Istanbul, Turkey $269 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Madrid, Spain $193 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Milan, Italy $222 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Moscow $250 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Nice, France $177 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Paris $165 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Rome $222 -------------------------------------- --------------------------- Venice, Italy $222 -------------------------------------- ---------------------------



Contact:
Delta Air Lines Corporate Communications 404-715-2554

 

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Jeesh, it is $230 PLUS TAXES to fly "non-rev" to Paris. Considering the effect of taxes, is Delta really selling Paris at $80 a leg !?!

This sounds like a way to get cash in the door without regard for whether Delta will be around to provide the actual service. Eastern did this sort of thing in the last eight months.

 

[General Lee]

Fins,

Thanks for your Eastern comparison, again. Didn't Alleghany buy Mohawk? Oh no, then both disappeared---could that be an analogy for SkyWest and ASA? Can you come up with some more.....



whymeworry?,

Sounds like they want to fill seats for the Winter season, and probably not all of the seats are that cheap. We make more money in the Spring and Summer to Europe. We also fly cargo over there which can help with the costs. Who knows?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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General says "Why me worry?" Has my friend become delirious? "it don't mean nothing, as long as we can try to slam DCI! Ohh' the World owes me a livin' dodelle el el del ee do oh! Delta's trying to get money in the door to live another six months - Jimmy crack corn and I don't care ....

General: They did not disappear, they changed their name to US Air and they are still around. Better yet they established the "Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions" which establish the paycheck and equipment type integration methodology back in the day when ALPA saw fit to merge operationally integrated carriers rather than promoting alter ego competition inside of an airline brand.

The law still exists, ALPA's cajones are all that disappeared.

 

[General Lee]

General: They did not disappear, they changed their name to US Air and they are still around. Better yet they established the "Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions" which establish the paycheck and equipment type integration methodology back in the day when ALPA saw fit to merge operationally integrated carriers rather than promoting alter ego competition inside of an airline brand.

The law still exists, ALPA's cajones are all that disappeared.

Seems like ALPA is doing ok in our 1113c hearing so far. We'll see how it goes. How about your negotiations with SkyWest? They don't like ALPA over there.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[drag]

Pathetic...a true disgrace.

 

[General Lee]

Pathetic...a true disgrace.

Can you expound on that please?


Bye bye--General Lee

 

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Seems like ALPA is doing ok in our 1113c hearing so far. How are your ALPA negotiators doing? Oh, that's right, SkyWest doesn't care.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Uhm, ALPA is not talking to SkyWest, or their pilots. The last thing ALPA wants is a bunch of pesky RJ drivers demanding equal representation. If SkyWest were to join, the DCI pilots would be closer to winning a vote at an BOD meeting and you and I both know Duane Woerth doesn't want the true Patriots to pull off a revolution.

In the mean time, ALPA is digging a hole for the Delta MEC in the RJDC litigation. ALPA tried to get the case suspended. The Judge actually moved it up. ALPA argues that 70 seat scope has no value and then walks into the Bankruptcy Court and argues that it is worth more than $60,000,000.00 to allow DCI to go from 125 to 200 jets.

ALPA can't have it both ways. They should have picked one set of facts and stuck to their story. The fact that they are making these arguements when the Courts are in virtual earshot of each other is amazing.... So what next, strike, quit ALPA, take all your marbles and go home? At some point the Delta MEC has to stow the Charlie Bryan rhetoric and deal with reality.

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[General Lee]

Uhm, ALPA is not talking to SkyWest, or their pilots. The last thing ALPA wants is a bunch of pesky RJ drivers demanding equal representation. If SkyWest were to join, the DCI pilots would be closer to winning a vote at an BOD meeting and you and I both know Duane Woerth doesn't want the true Patriots to pull off a revolution.

In the mean time, ALPA is digging a hole for the Delta MEC in the RJDC litigation. ALPA tried to get the case suspended. The Judge actually moved it up. ALPA agrues that 70 seat scope has no value and then walks into the Court and argues that it is worth more than $60,000,000.00 to allow DCI to go from 125 to 200 jets.

ALPA can't have it both ways. They should have picked one set of facts and stuck to their story. The fact that they are making these arguements when the Courts are in virtual earshot of each other is amazing....

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Fins,

Again, the company can decide on its own if it wants to deal with us first, and that is wise since we do the majority of the flying. Your RJDC buddies are a bunch of whiners. What did our bankruptcy judge do with your RJDC complaint? She probably laughed out loud.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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Fins,

What did our bankruptcy judge do with your RJDC complaint?

Bye Bye--General Lee

She has never seen it. But you can be sure that ALPA will hear its arguements from the Bankruptcy Court read back to them in the RJDC litigation. It is the same crap that has gone on since 1999, but the Court gives it transparency that ALPA's super secret negotiations never had before (aside from the RJDC's sources from within the Delta MEC).

But again, it probably doesn't matter. Your ALPA attorneys already stated they would sail your junior pilots down the river for pension protections. DCI flying and junior pilots are just negotiating fodder - always has been - as evidenced by the fact that we are in this mess to begin with.

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