Is Delta Singing The End Of Song?

[General Lee]

Howlinmad,


Man, you are crazy. Did I ever say anything about our overall financial state? This thread was about Song, and a profit is probably a profit. Do you and I know what that is? Nope. He wasn't being sly, he stated in an article that Song was profitable. You can twist his words around all you want, but you and I really don't know the facts like he does.


Oh wait, you are the resident crazy expert. Have a crazy day...........?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[MedFlyer]

What you are missing, General, is that we don't know how long Song was profitable for? Maybe Song was profitable for a month around Spring Break? Maybe a week? However, we have seen NO evidence that Song is able to make a sustainable profit.

http://www.spinics.net/lists/airline/msg21226.html

Song even had been profitable for a period, he said.

Plus, we have no idea how Song allocates costs. Song could be extremely profitable if mainline DL is eating many of its costs. Does Song pay for DL reservations? Does Song pay for delta.com (where many Song tickets are booked)? Does Song pay for the frequent flyer program (all Song flights are part of the program)? Is Song paying for the new terminal (that Song will use) that DL is opening in BOS this Spring?

 

[Freddie Spencer]

Hey General....

Are you also required to clean up the cabin after each leg, or are you still beeing treated like a bunch of professionals (like pilots should be)?

 

[UALjan15]

Are you also required to clean up the cabin after each leg, or are you still beeing treated like a bunch of professionals (like pilots should be)?

Freddie,

You seem to be able to weave this topic into every thread on the board. I think everyone gets it by now--you don't want to clean the cabin. Now, do have any other original thoughts, or does cabin cleaning pretty much cover it?

 

[dlredline]

. . . That is why Neeleman is nervous.

Bye Bye--General Lee

So you've spoken with David, too?

 

[On Your Six]

Ever heard of the term, "creative use of words"? CEO's and Corporations use creative words all the time. So, GG publically said Song was profitable. Did it ever occur to you that term "profitable" means anything above $1 or a penny? "Song was profitable (we just won't say by how much)". As long as Song's profit was more than a $1, sure it made money.

Try reading the SEC filing to get a better understanding of DL's financial state. You actually might learn more from those filings than from any company or union press release. Lord knows you have plenty of time to read on those Song flights.

Another example of a topic aimlessly steering out of control... Hey, who cares if you are profitable by $1 or not - in this industry it is rare to be profitable at all. Song has done a lot better than most people predicted because it provided a cheap product and great service - I should know because I have flown Song several times and it easily beats the Jet Blue product. I get sick of blue potato chips after 3 hours.... The Song entertainment system is far superior - I like to listen to music and watch TV... I have no relation to Song or Delta so I am not a Green Coolaid drinker - I am just a fan of the service. Given that General Lee and FDJ2 actually fly Song aircraft and you don't, I'd think they would reasonably know how well Song is doing in terms of load factor and customer acceptance. Every Song flight I have flown on has been packed.

I think Delta would be wise to incorporate a lot of the Song product in Mainline. When you combine that with cheaper airfares, Delta will be a lot more competitive.

 

[canyonblue]

So far this year Delta has lost 2.9 billion dollars. So what dent did Song take out of it.

 

[canyonblue]

Every Song flight I have flown on has been packed.

Yield

 

[On Your Six]

Yield

Comfort (leather seats). Meals. Seat assignments. Actual inflight entertainment beyond yapping flight attendants with lame jokes. Do these sound familiar? They shouldn't for you.

Do you have Song's financials? Do you know what their yield was in 2004 vs. mainline? If GG suggested Song was profitable, I'd believe him in this day of Sarbanes-Oxley regulations where the penalties for lying to shareholders are severe.

 

[canyonblue]

Do you know what their yield was in 2004 vs. mainline?

It doesn't matter. I'm sure that the snack area at KMart was making a profit while the rest of the store tanked. All those hungry shoppers just packed the food court, just can't figure out why they didn't make money.

 

[V2+10]

After reading all of the morinic replys (on both sides) to this thread, I have come to a conclusion.

ALL PILOTS ARE IDIOTS!!!

It hurts me to say this because...drum roll...I AM ONE! It just goes to show why pilots make the wost managers, execs, ceo's, etc. I do believe however that pilots do make the BEST armchair quarterbacks in the industry!

Mine is bigger than yours, and yours is bigger than mine...heck...we can do this all day!!!

V2

 

[a320drivr]

Lets see. We currently have 1st run movies showing on most of the AC which for now is free and will be adding 100 channels of XM radio soon. How does Song beat that? They dont because they charge for everything. I think what will come next is wireless internet on the AC which will probably be free.

 

[IB6 UB9]

General

If you could get me David's number, I'd like to call him and tell him not to worry so much.

Thanks.

(PS...some of your arguments put you in the same league as many of my old girlfriends...the ones I dated in my teens. LMAO!!

 

[mad691]

Associated Press
Estimated Airline Revenue Shortfalls
Wednesday January 5, 12:25 pm ET
By The Associated Press Estimated Revenue Shortfalls for Major Airlines in 2005

Estimated revenue shortfalls for major airlines in 2005, based on industrywide adoption of Delta's overhauled fare structure, which reduced some fares by as much as 50 percent. Industrywide domestic revenue totaled about $70 billion in 2004.

AMR Corp. (American Airlines) - $600 million

Continental Airlines Inc. - $250 million

Delta Air Lines Inc. - $600 million

Northwest Airlines Co. - $400 million

UAL Corp. (United Airlines) - $500 million

US Airways Group Inc. - $200 million

Source: Merrill Lynch

 

[SpeedBird]

After reading all of the morinic replys (on both sides) to this thread, I have come to a conclusion.

ALL PILOTS ARE IDIOTS!!!

It hurts me to say this because...drum roll...I AM ONE!

V2+10,

I have to agree with you and "generally" speaking the idiot factor increases in direct proportion to the number of posts one makes on this board.

 

[abe44]

Canyon,

I'll stay out of the Song debate, but you might want to check out K-Mart's 1 year stock chart and financials. There aren't too many companies (and no pax airlines, including SWA) that produced that kind of return last year (or any year).

They must have a helluva snack bar!

Abe44

It doesn't matter. I'm sure that the snack area at KMart was making a profit while the rest of the store tanked. All those hungry shoppers just packed the food court, just can't figure out why they didn't make money.

 

[Heavy Set]

Speedbird,

If you are referring to "The General" and his large number of posts, I would have to say that his views are "generally" a lot more interesting and accurate than yours. I find his posts insightful.

 

[FDJ2]

Lets see. We currently have 1st run movies showing on most of the AC which for now is free and will be adding 100 channels of XM radio soon. How does Song beat that? They dont because they charge for everything.

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Delta Song is the only low-fare carrier to operate from all three metro area airports, and it just launched its first international route between JFK and Nassau in the Bahamas.

While it is classified as low-fare, Delta Song has a high style attitude, starting with its spiffy Kate Spade uniforms. Its in-flight entertainment gives passengers the choice that most airlines only provide in the front of the plane, as each seat has its own personal video monitor that offers 10 movies on demand, live, satellite television, and an interactive music trivia game that has seatmates competing against one another.

Delta Song lives up to its name with an inventory of more than 1,600 tunes as part of digitally streamed mp3 programming, letting flyers create individual play lists.

What's all this entertainment without movie theatre style munchies? Its in-flight menu has lots of snacks for sale.

Delta Song is also music to the ears of traveling parents, because the airline pays special attention to its frequent criers - now expanding its adult organic food offerings to include selections for babies and kids.

The airline also provides the opportunity for passengers to stay fit with an exercise program developed by David Barton. For $8, this 15-minute workout comes with a resistance band and a ball, something that probably wouldn't fly on more self-conscious airlines.

Delta Song's fares are based on one-way travel and can start as low as $59 to Florida without taxes and fees. All of this, of course, is subject to availability.

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[rajflyboy]

Song is in business simply to keep Market Share and not in business to make a profit? That shows us that Song won't make it.

Look at how a profitable company operates:

SWA has never killed a sole and has made profits every quarter for the last 30 Plus years. Its the most successful airline in US history.

 

[JI Gone OH]

and a profit is probably a profit.

Let me get this straight General. When Comair posts a profit, you and FDJ2 and all of the other anti-Comair boys are the first to jump all over the story saying that Delta pays for the reservations, the aircraft payments, blah blah blah. But when Song posts a profit, it must be because Grinstein says so? What a hypocrit.