Is CAL acting responsibly while serving the traveling public?

[100/hour/5y]

Continental Airlines schedules international 2 pilot reserve crews for up to 17:30hrs of duty time, and once you report to the airport your time resets.
Safe?

Got a delay, mx or deicing… Guess what you are still good to go… You would be surprise at how many 18-20 hours duty days 2 pilot reserve crews fly at CAL…

It is the responsibility of both the air carrier and the pilot to prevent fatigue, not only by following the regulations, but also by acting responsibly while serving the traveling public. This means taking into consideration weather conditions, air traffic, the health of each pilot, and any other personal circumstances that may affect a pilot’s performance.

http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=6762

 

[NWaviator]

1995 Proposal for Pilots

In 1995, the FAA proposed a rule to change flight time and rest limits. The agency received more than 2,000 comments from the aviation community and the public. Most of those comments did not favor the rule as proposed, and there was no clear consensus on what the final rule should say. Highlights of the 1995 proposal:

• Reduce the number of duty hours (the time a flight crewmember is on the job, available to fly) from the current 16 hours to 14 hours for two-pilot crews. It would have allowed up to 10 flight hours in the 14 duty hours. Current rules allow up to 16 hours continuous duty time.
• Additional duty hours would be permitted only for unexpected operational problems, such as flight delays. In no event could such delays add more than two hours to the pilot’s duty day.
• Airlines could no longer schedule pilots in advance that exceeds the duty time.
• To ensure that pilots have an adequate opportunity to rest, off-duty time would be increased from eight hours to 10 hours under the proposal.
• Pilots would have to be given at least one 36-hour off-duty period every seven days. Current rules call for a 24-hour period.

They better do better than this, this time around.

 

[densoo]

It is the responsibility of both the air carrier and the pilot to prevent fatigue, not only by following the regulations, but also by acting responsibly while serving the traveling public.

There is no "acting responsibly" in an unregulated free market. There is only profit. The only "responsibility" in the equation is when an employee group forces work rules that create a margin of safety around FARs based on their daily knowledge of line flying.

It only highlights how important the pilot contract is in the safety equation. At it's heart, a pilot contract is not just about pay and benefits, it is about the people operating the planes on a day-to-day basis codifying a margin of safety that they know to be essential based on their experience.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

1995 Proposal for Pilots

In 1995, the FAA proposed a rule to change flight time and rest limits. The agency received more than 2,000 comments from the aviation community and the public. Most of those comments did not favor the rule as proposed, and there was no clear consensus on what the final rule should say. Highlights of the 1995 proposal:

• Reduce the number of duty hours (the time a flight crewmember is on the job, available to fly) from the current 16 hours to 14 hours for two-pilot crews. It would have allowed up to 10 flight hours in the 14 duty hours. Current rules allow up to 16 hours continuous duty time.
• Additional duty hours would be permitted only for unexpected operational problems, such as flight delays. In no event could such delays add more than two hours to the pilot’s duty day.
• Airlines could no longer schedule pilots in advance that exceeds the duty time.
• To ensure that pilots have an adequate opportunity to rest, off-duty time would be increased from eight hours to 10 hours under the proposal.
• Pilots would have to be given at least one 36-hour off-duty period every seven days. Current rules call for a 24-hour period.

They better do better than this, this time around.

Great!!!
Lets see if we can go twenty years of "somethings gotta give..." before somebody gives a rat's.

 

[100/hour/5y]

It only highlights how important the pilot contract is in the safety equation. At it's heart, a pilot contract is not just about pay and benefits, it is about the people operating the planes on a day-to-day basis codifying a margin of safety that they know to be essential based on their experience.

well said... But try telling that to a bunch of scabs

 

[Furloughed80]

Can't use that excuse anymore. There are about 400 left.

 

[Jetjockey]

I was thinking the "opportunists" were less than 10%.

 

[list2002]

Sick of it. Double pumped reserve days, stressed out schedulers making as if their lack of resources is MY fault, calling 2 hrs 55 min before push but acting like it is still 3 hrs out, etc... I think it is all scouting by mgmnt. To REALLY gauge where staffing should be, or where contract will GO. Every time we we say "OK" there is a hash mark. Think it's time to start calling them on it BEFORE summer, to let them know where the staffing levels should be (and that is still pertaining to the worst work rules in the game)
BTW, love how the penalty is OURS to negotiate for safer flight.

 

[mamba20]

Management dosen't care about safety unless they get sued. The traveling public dosen't care about safety if they can fly for peanuts. The FAA dosen't care about safety it just wants to please the airlines in order to get money. The only people who care about safety are the pilots who fly this BS schedules. Get used to it, cuz its the CAL way.

 

[flygirlqt]

Can't use that excuse anymore. There are about 400 left.

Let him go on with his rants since the ignorant always need an excuse. Especially coming from the ALPA apologists. It will be interesting what happens and where the blame will be placed with CAL's next contract when ALPA negotiates and succeeds with a lackluster, Swiss cheese filled agreement. Doesn't matter though because in the end, ALPA still gets their dues and there will be more of the same bitching and moaning with little examining at the true culprits behind their worthless representation.

The original poster of this thread (A G number guy) has been a whining tool since the day he got hired. Not sure why he stays since his inflated sense of self worth and ego has always talked about moving on.

Incidentally, his name always seemed to have come up with Captains when they talk about the largest pain in the asses they have flown with. It is tools like this loudmouth why I thank god I have left aviation.