Interview at Airways

[Turtle21]

Was the intent of the designers of the transition agreemment that it last indefinitely?

No. Just until the joint contract is ratified.

How is Polar and Atlas doing?

 

[The Rookie]

sorry to burst the balloon of all the USAPA bashers, but...

The way any and all recalls and newhire positions are filled goes according to the Transition Agreement.

The Transition Agreement for those of you who really don't know is a new section of contract that covers this exact scenario and others like who flies what.

This was put into place by ALPA both East and West long before any of the current crap took place.

Maybe you should try reading the Transition Agreement.

New pilots hired during the Separate Operations will be placed by their date of hire on a third seniority list entitled “New Hire Seniority List,” will be junior to all pilots on the pilot seniority lists of America West and US Airways on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, and will continue to be junior to those pilots on the integrated seniority list of America West and US Airways pilots.

Besides the injustice of where the recalled west pilots fall on the east list during separate operations, the situation now exists where pilots in the SAME new-hire class who were recalled to the east are penalized by the simple fact that they ended up in positions in Phoenix when originally hired through no fault of their own. These pilots are now 20+ numbers junior to their classmates.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Maybe you should try reading the Transition Agreement.

New pilots hired during the Separate Operations will be placed by their date of hire on a third seniority list entitled “New Hire Seniority List,” will be junior to all pilots on the pilot seniority lists of America West and US Airways on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, and will continue to be junior to those pilots on the integrated seniority list of America West and US Airways pilots.

Besides the injustice of where the recalled west pilots fall on the east list during separate operations, the situation now exists where pilots in the SAME new-hire class who were recalled to the east are penalized by the simple fact that they ended up in positions in Phoenix when originally hired through no fault of their own. These pilots are now 20+ numbers junior to their classmates.

The key here is what I underlined above... Any West pilot that goes East, will basically go as a new hire (except for pay - they get their longevity). They will remain junior until a new contract is ratified and an integrated seniority list is used. If and when that day comes, they will immediately go up the seniority list to their proper place... As for new hires that went West and then furloughed, then recalled East, the same thing will happen... yes they may lose those 20 numbers, but they will get them back whenever an integrated list is ratified in a new contract...

 

[eaglesview]

The key here is what I underlined above... Any West pilot that goes East, will basically go as a new hire (except for pay - they get their longevity). They will remain junior until a new contract is ratified and an integrated seniority list is used. If and when that day comes, they will immediately go up the seniority list to their proper place... As for new hires that went West and then furloughed, then recalled East, the same thing will happen... yes they may lose those 20 numbers, but they will get them back whenever an integrated list is ratified in a new contract...

This sounds like there really is no reason for a west guy to not take the recall. If he is furloughed he was junior anyway. Reality is if it take a few more years to integrate then he will quickly become more senior on the east side than he would have had he been able to hang on to the bottom of the west list. Plus he has the "protection" of the nic.

 

[The Rookie]

The key here is what I underlined above... Any West pilot that goes East, will basically go as a new hire (except for pay - they get their longevity). They will remain junior until a new contract is ratified and an integrated seniority list is used. If and when that day comes, they will immediately go up the seniority list to their proper place... As for new hires that went West and then furloughed, then recalled East, the same thing will happen... yes they may lose those 20 numbers, but they will get them back whenever an integrated list is ratified in a new contract...

You're overlooking the statement immediately preceding that says:

New pilots hired during the Separate Operations will be placed by their date of hire on a third seniority list entitled “New Hire Seniority List,” will be junior to all pilots on the pilot seniority lists of America West and US Airways on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, and will continue to be junior to those pilots on the integrated seniority list of America West and US Airways pilots.

First, these pilots are supposed to be on a third seniority list, entitled "New Hire Seniority List". Ranked in order of their DOH. Not when a joint contract happens, but right now.

How can you justify the fact that the these new hire pilots are not out of order on the east list?

Futher, according to this language, these pilots are supposed to be junior to the pilots that were employed by both America West and US Airways at the effective date of the TA (9/30/05).

Furthermore, this is the language that protects pilots from either side of the Mississippi when being recalled to "the other operation":
A US Airways pilot who accepts a position at America West:
a) will be treated as junior to all pilots who are on the America West seniority list on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, but pilots on the US Airways seniority list employed by America West under this paragraph 6 will be ranked among themselves in their order on the US Airways seniority list;

Once again, there's that pesky language of "effective date.." As in 9/20/05. Not as in junior to whoever was on the east list at the time of the furloughs in 2008 as the company claims. No where in the TA does it say that these pilots should be treated as new hires on the other operation. If that was the case they would not be grouped in order of their original AWA seniority but would be slotted in whenever they came to the east. You are just regurgitating the gospel of Bular & Hogg.

Look, the fact of the matter is that USAPA is supposed to be a union built on DOH, yet they blatantly ignore the language in the TA that is supposed to protect both the east recalled pre-merger AWA and post merger hire pilot's DOH. USAPA is simply doing everything in its power to discourage any west pilots to come east because it destroys the notion that the two groups will ever fly together safely.

If the tables were turned and this was "an east" problem, USAPA would be screaming bloody murder. And that, is yet another example of USAPA not fairly representing ALL of its constituents.

 

[Lampshade]

These 3rd listers and west recalls need to file a grievance and see if DOH means DOH to the USAPA grievance committee.

 

[BrickTop]

Shocked you all still believe any airlines are going to be hiring soon..........

 

[Tweaker]

Class starts Monday, Debbie Downer.

 

[squall line]

Any interviews going on this week? I've heard of them going on next week. Anyone have details to share?
Thanks
SL

 

[Flyer1015]

Here's the latest interview gouge, from just two weeks ago:

Interviewer: You applied for the EMB-190 PHL - Pilot position online, correct?


Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize our first year pay?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize year two pay, year 3 pay?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize the full scale FO pay on EMB-190 and the A320/B737?


Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You are a RJ Captain at [xxx] regional airline?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize you'll be taking a pay cut so as long as you're a FO on the EMB 190 or the A320 or the B737?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: You realize you will never make what you make now until you upgrade at US Airways?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: Are you sure?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: Have you seen a psychologist or psychiatrist?


Pilot: No.


Interviewer: Maybe you should, after all, only a lunatic would give up what he has now to start at a legacy with an integration process in shambles, no future contract in sight, and a permanent paycut until upgrade.


Pilot: Yes, I will schedule an appointment. Me and 2,000 other RJ Captain applicants.


Interviewer: You're hired.

 

[squall line]

Here's the latest interview gouge, from just two weeks ago:

Interviewer: You applied for the EMB-190 PHL - Pilot position online, correct?


Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize our first year pay?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize year two pay, year 3 pay?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize the full scale FO pay on EMB-190 and the A320/B737?


Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You are a RJ Captain at [xxx] regional airline?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize you'll be taking a pay cut so as long as you're a FO on the EMB 190 or the A320 or the B737?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: You realize you will never make what you make now until you upgrade at US Airways?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: Are you sure?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: Have you seen a psychologist or psychiatrist?


Pilot: No.


Interviewer: Maybe you should, after all, only a lunatic would give up what he has now to start at a legacy with an integration process in shambles, no future contract in sight, and a permanent paycut until upgrade.


Pilot: Yes, I will schedule an appointment. Me and 2,000 other RJ Captain applicants.


Interviewer: You're hired.

100% true FLYER!
For a select few, it might be pay neutral/pay raise though. It would be a VERY hard decison being a CA unless their residence was in the PHL area or something like that. For the rest, it might just be getting a seniority number at a Legacy vs staying at a dying regional.

SL

 

[JJET44]

Holly crap! I'm not gonna spend a week breaking down my flight time into tiny pieces for their app just to work there. I'll stick to my corporate gig. What's the purpose?
RIDICULOUS!

 

[Tweaker]

At least you don't have to answer questions regarding any "community organizations" you volunteer with or answer questions about "politics" like I was told I would have to by the YoNited interviewer. A Mizz Thang I think her name was.

They announced teh first of 1400 furloughs within days of this, so I remain perplexed as to what that would have entailed.

 

[Tweaker]

Honestly, I am glad that there are so many pilots so happy with their present employment situation such that they don't have to consider US Airways. Nothing good can come of blind desperation.

Count your lucky stars.

 

[bri5150]

Here's the latest interview gouge, from just two weeks ago:

Interviewer: You applied for the EMB-190 PHL - Pilot position online, correct?


Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize our first year pay?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize year two pay, year 3 pay?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize the full scale FO pay on EMB-190 and the A320/B737?


Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You are a RJ Captain at [xxx] regional airline?

Pilot: Yes.


Interviewer: You realize you'll be taking a pay cut so as long as you're a FO on the EMB 190 or the A320 or the B737?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: You realize you will never make what you make now until you upgrade at US Airways?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: Are you sure?


Pilot: Yes.

Interviewer: Have you seen a psychologist or psychiatrist?


Pilot: No.


Interviewer: Maybe you should, after all, only a lunatic would give up what he has now to start at a legacy with an integration process in shambles, no future contract in sight, and a permanent paycut until upgrade.


Pilot: Yes, I will schedule an appointment. Me and 2,000 other RJ Captain applicants.


Interviewer: You're hired.

Yeah, you're right Flyer. You are much better off at Pinnacle