International money for Dean

[46Driver]

Appearantly, Dean has set up websites - or is getting support and financial contributions - from non-US citizens. Obviously, if you want the UN and Europeans controlling the White House, then vote for Dean.

www.drudgereport.com

 

[2000flyer]

The general election is 11 months away and this is just another example of desperation setting in early. Even today in a speech, Dean once again said "the timing on Iraq was not right." Amazing. Simply amazing!

 

[Q200_FO]

It goes both ways pal...

You people amaze me! Like the Republicans aren't taking money from overseas with all the attention campaign contributions are getting nowadays. Not to mention the associations that the administration has with big business overseas. Cabotage anyone?

 

[Flying Illini]

It's not so much the money that bothers me, it's the fact that Dean (and many of the democrats (in office or running for office)) are upset by the discovery of Saddam Hussein. They put forth a decent front, on the exterior they appear happy but beneath it all, this discovery helped Bush and hurt the democrats in their bid for the White House. Period. This is one topic that they can no longer harp on.

Now, before all of you democrats jump on me, hear this. I hate politics. I hate how both sides can't enjoy this victory. I am neither a democrat or a republican, I lean towards the republican way of thinking most of the time but I look at both sides and how each side views each issue at hand, then I decide who I am going to back. Sometimes it's a democrat, other times a republican. I don't vote for someone just b/c they are a member of "my" party. I'm not even sure what "party" I would be a member of in the political world, and I don't care.

P.S. Way to go for our troops! Finding SH just proves to all the doubters that they aren't slugging it out and not getting results.

 

[kevdog]

I say blow em all up!

 

[Timebuilder]

Re: It goes both ways pal...

You people amaze me! Like the Republicans aren't taking money from overseas with all the attention campaign contributions are getting nowadays. Not to mention the associations that the administration has with big business overseas. Cabotage anyone?

First, I'd be very surprised at any money accepted by a Republican candidate from say, the Chinese Communists. I do, however, note that this did happen with the democrats in the 2000 election. Perhaps Dean is taking money from the French, too. I have no grudge with them, other than the fact that their intransigence helped give Sadaam time to move his WMD's as we talked and talked and talked, and their misguided socialist ideas help to promote the idea that we, the country that saved them from the nazis, are somehow "evil". Maybe that's why the Vichy government worked so well with the SS: a poor understanding of good and evil.

Associations with big business overseas? Explain to me your problem with that. We can either take part in the world business climate, or we can be rolled over by it. Our participation guarantees us an opportunity to maintain a modicum of control over these international companies. We are in a far better position because we are participants rather than bystanders.

It seems very odd to me that anyone accepted the idea that an American election should receive funding from any source outside of America. Even more odd is the idea that anyone other than an America citizen should be allowed to vote in any election. Accepting money from an enemy? Shouldn't that be treason? I think you're right, Ann.

I'm a little surprised that Dean has been able to take my old party so far to the left. His speeches are right out of the "young communists" handbook. Hating America first has become fashionable in many circles. Is it envy? That's most likely. Ignorance? Certainly, many know nothing of how we stopped the major threat to their freedom in the 40's, and continued to improve their life through free enterprise over the following sixty years. It may be that some folks are simply unable to imagine what the world would be like without us.

When I look at what is happening in the public schools, and the antics of the trial lawyers and the ACLU, I no longer think that we are going to our own political hell in a handbasket.

We are already there.

 

[kevdog]

Treason?

Is rigging a state election for the presidency considered treason? The American vote doesn't seem to be very important anymore.

...kill em all!

 

[Timebuilder]

Well the democrats did try to rig the Florida vote, but were prevented from doing so by the supreme court. In the end, the law of the United States, which specifies the role of the electoral college, was followed. Even the NY Times' investigation could not reveal any wrongdoing on the part of the republicans in Florida.

Just as "only Nixon could go to China", only the Times was a sufficiently left wing paper whose findings could clear the republicans in Florida of the charges of wrongdoing.

 

[kevdog]

um...where have you been?

I guess the 50,000+ minority voters down here who were turned away from the voting halls don't count as Americans?

If they weren't black, hispanic, or cuban americans, maybe the 'Times' would have made a bigger deal about how many of these voters had felony charges with a future date (e.g.2008) or arrests that don't allow you to lose your voting rights, like a DUI (like bush has). Who instated all these felon chasing laws? W's own brother, Jeb.

Keep reading USA Today!

 

[Timebuilder]

All I can tell you is that the Times considers any minority to be far more important than any mainstream American. They dearly wanted to be able to substantiate what you are saying.

They were not able to do so. Period.

As a side note, I am against criminals maintaining any rights except those that cover their prosecution or incarceration. No color TV/cable/air conditioning/conjugal visits/voting. It's punishment. When they take the rights of others by violating the criminal law, they should give up their own rights and comforts.

Good for the people of Florida, for resisting the tide of crime. I wish my own governor had that kind of leadership.

 

[kevdog]

It doesn't matter anyway, now the Bush Klan has electronic voting machines in Florida for the next election. It will be like American and United trying to rig travel agencies for their own gain. Timebuilder, you think Power and Money doesn't rule? Do you think Democrats and Republicans are much different?

 

[46Driver]

As for the Florida vote (living here in Florida myself), I thought it was quite (adjective of your choice....) of the Democrats to try and make Gore Commander-in-Chief by disqualifying as many military absentee ballots as possible.....

 

[kevdog]

Do you like Enron, World Telecom, Saddam Hussein, or Oasama Bin Laden?

The Bush Klan sure did, especially in the 1980's! Please bring back the good ol days!

 

[Timebuilder]

Timebuilder, you think Power and Money doesn't rule? Do you think Democrats and Republicans are much different?

Power and money always rule. The difference in America is where that power and money comes from. In some places, it could be a despot, a Politburo, or a dictator. In America, it comes from the people.

Having been both a democrat and a republican, I have the expereince to answer your question. "Yes".

As far as the term "Bush Klan" is concerned, you need to review some history. The democrats are the only ones who have had a member of the Klan in modern times, perhaps ever. Would a "Bush Klan" ever have a Colin Powell or a Connie Rice as members?

Do you like Enron, World Telecom, Saddam Hussein, or Oasama Bin Laden?

An interesting list. What is your point? The first two are companies whose leaders engaged in financial criminal activity, and shoud be put in jail. The other two are international criminals and terrorists.

So, what are the "good old days" to which you refer? You need more than a few vacuous insults and hyperbole to make a reasoned political statement. Have you been listening to the "reverend" Al Sharpton, per chance?

 

[kevdog]

Timebuilder...

I refer to the Bush Klan as Sr, Jr, and Jeb (if you wanna make a comparison to the KKK, go ahead).

Enron, and World Telecom were huge financial supports of Bush. I even believe World Telecom received the Cellular Contract in Iraq, but I could be wrong - what an accomplishment for a criminal corporation if so!

When Sr. was head of the CIA and then VP, Osama and Hussein were some of his best friends, on the U.S. payroll even. Remeber the whole Soviet thing in Afg?

All I am saying is yes, power and money rule the world, and a lot of the things this great country of ours does ends up biting us in the ass.

 

[kevdog]

Sharpton wasn't even funny on SNL!

 

[kevdog]

Timebuilder, your not W. Clarke, are you...LOL!

 

[46Driver]

Timebuilder...

When Sr. was head of the CIA and then VP, Osama and Hussein were some of his best friends, on the U.S. payroll even. Remeber the whole Soviet thing in Afg?

Actually, Osama was not our payroll. Our money that went to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan was sent to Pakistan. There, the Pakistani intelligence agency distributed it. Like you, I had always assumed that we were directly financing the resistance - that was not the case. I suggest you read "Holy War, Inc." by CNN terrorism correspondent Peter Bergen - it was required reading for my Master's Course in International Relations.

 

[kevdog]

So you're saying we didn't support and train Osama as a Terrorist to fight against the Soviets? I will pick up the book you had to read in your masters course, but I don't consider CNN to be a grade A media source.

 

[Timebuilder]

I refer to the Bush Klan as Sr, Jr, and Jeb (if you wanna make a comparison to the KKK, go ahead).

In that case, it would be "Bush Clan", with a "C".

Enron, and World Telecom were huge financial supports of Bush. I even believe World Telecom received the Cellular Contract in Iraq, but I could be wrong - what an accomplishment for a criminal corporation if so!

Actually, most major corporations support both parties, and even suport some independent candidates.

I wouldn't be too quick to label a corporation as "criminal" based on the activities of a few officers, nor would I draw any special inference from the awarding of a cell contract. That's really reaching.

When Sr. was head of the CIA and then VP, Osama and Hussein were some of his best friends, on the U.S. payroll even. Remeber the whole Soviet thing in Afg?

Let me clean up any misconceptions that you might have: when you are a US ally, you are treated as a US ally. When you are a US enemy, you will be handled as one.

Just as I went from being a misinformed partisan democrat who toed the party line without question, to a better informed republican who is willing to question the actions of my party (expansion of medicare, courting of the UN, for example) and think for myself, our friends and enemies can change from time to time based on their actions and their words. France is a good example.

I am certain that the French are going crazy with worry over how Sadaam might reveal how closely they were allied, and how they particpated in Sadaam's regieme.

All I am saying is yes, power and money rule the world, and a lot of the things this great country of ours does ends up biting us in the ass.

As humans, we often screw up. That's why we were unable to keep The Law, and instead needed salvation.

And no, I am not Wes Clark. I have friends.