Interesting.....

[capt. megadeth]

Does anyone else find it interesting that Duane Worthless is a NWA pilot but yet ALPA is not supporting the mechanic's strike?

Things that make ya go hmmm........

 

[gutshotdraw]

Yes, Duane is pretty much worthless but NWA pilots have apparently read the history of their industry. The last time ALPA honored the picket line of a mechanic's union, the airline LIQUIDATED.


AMFA is clearly willing to sacrifice the entire airline rather than give in to management. NWA ALPA is not. I am with NWA ALPA on this one.

 

[Jim Smyth]

How many strikes has ALPA actualy supported that werent there own? Not many if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[Stan]

"How many strikes has ALPA actualy supported that werent there own? Not many if my memory serves me correctly."

There is a reason for that. If other unions could always count on ALPA's support they would be using our leverage for their gain. We have a hard enough time getting our own contracts. Shutting the airline down anytime some unionized group at the airline goes on strike would not be in our best interest.

With all that being said, I believe this time it is different. Management is trying to replace the only other skilled positions at the airline with SCABS. Alpa should refuse to fly airlplanes worked on by SCABS.

 

[Echopapa]

Does anyone else find it interesting that Duane Worthless is a NWA pilot but yet ALPA is not supporting the mechanic's strike?

This was a vote taken by the entire pilot union at NWA. I think it is inappropriate to blame Duane Worth...he cannot simply dictate how each individual union member will vote.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Just one question...

Did the mechanics support NWALPA's last strike.

Just one answer...




NO.
now get over it.

I will give you guys this...
Dave Mustaine rawks!! Holy Wars, Wake up Dead, Peace Sells are some of my favorite 80's real metal tunes.

 

[COpilot]

NEVER EVER ANYONE, Say one thing about a CO pilot or a EAL pilot again.

Because every pilot that was on property before those strikes and then crossed used the same logic in their hearts and heads that you NWA pilots are using at this very minute.

Those men and women, thought and said to ALPA, "We can not win this, we will only be burning down our company, at the loss of future lives, and careers." Yet to this day, other high and mighty airman, slander, backstab, and curse the other proffesionals for standing by their company at those times.

Funny that here in 2005 a NWA pilot is a hero for doing the same thing that 15 years ago he chided.

 

[720degpersec]

Divide and conquer. The more we bicker about who did what and when, the louder will be management's laugh.

Why do we blame others ? Isn't it time to show solidarity and understanding instead of blaming someone or a group ?

 

[320AV8R]

Does anyone else find it interesting that Duane Worthless is a NWA pilot but yet ALPA is not supporting the mechanic's strike?

Things that make ya go hmmm........

Captain M-

I understand your point, however National ALPA is independent of specific NWA / DAL / UAL etc... ALPA. The actions taken at the airline level are decided at the airline level. Just because DW s a NW pilot, doesn't mean he can dictate policy from the National level.

Years ago, the ALPA Chairman was Randy Babbit, an EAL pilot. Trouble was, he was the Chairman, without an airline......EAL was defunct. The point is, the individual airlines pretty much control their own actions.

Also, no other union on the property supported AMFA by withholding their services. I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just stating facts.

320AV8R

 

[dbrownie]

NEVER EVER ANYONE, Say one thing about a CO pilot or a EAL pilot again.

Because every pilot that was on property before those strikes and then crossed used the same logic in their hearts and heads that you NWA pilots are using at this very minute.


Funny that here in 2005 a NWA pilot is a hero for doing the same thing that 15 years ago he chided.

Co,

Who said any NWA pilot was a hero? This is a black day for our company.

Our Mec decided that it was in NWA Alpa's interest not to have a sympathy strike, so what do you expect. That is a different situation than if Nwa Alpa called a sympathy strike and then people crossed. Then Alpa would be on strike and those who crossed would be SCABS.

We had a pilot strike remember?
How many pilots crossed our picket line? Zero.

Big difference from the Eastern and Continental SCABS.

Dave B

 

[ExAF]

This was a vote taken by the entire pilot union at NWA. I think it is inappropriate to blame Duane Worth...he cannot simply dictate how each individual union member will vote.

Not entirely accurate. The vote was conducted by the NWA MEC Board, not the entire union.

 

[Redmeat]

We had a pilot strike remember?
How many pilots crossed our picket line? Zero.



Dave B

Actually if your referring to 98, I believe we were locked out. So technically nobody could have crossed.

 

[capt. megadeth]

This was a vote taken by the entire pilot union at NWA. I think it is inappropriate to blame Duane Worth...he cannot simply dictate how each individual union member will vote.

I didn't blame anyone... I said it was interesting.

 

[SWA/FO]

Folks,

I did my part as a union employee and a member in good standing with SWAPA. I did not jumpseat on NWA on Saturday. I flew us (SWA) two legs instead of crossing the picket line.

 

[TonyC]

I didn't blame anyone... I said it was interesting.

But you did misspell his name. I assume that was intentional.

For the record, it's Capt Duane E. Woerth.

 

[mrtoy2]

...and he's still woerthless!

 

[Jim Smyth]

When you come right down to it there isnt much Solidarity in our ranks from airline to airline. We all directly compete against each other. If there was true unity with ALPA you would have a National Senority List, No age 60 Issues, Standarized pay scales and benefits etc. But that would mean there would have to be one age group to bit the bullet and take the intial hit which IMO isnt going to happen any time soon. Every airline labor group is out for there own. At best you can consider ALPA a loose nit group of Pilots with some common interests.

 

[TonyC]

...and he's still woerthless!

HA HA !

That is SOOOooo original! HA HA HA !


I'm falling down beside myself laughing so hard. HA HA HA!



... hadn't heard that one before! HA HA HA



... HA HA HA You should be a comedian HA HA HA




I guess I laughed too much - - I tried to post and got:

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   :rolleyes:

 

[Redmeat]

HA HA !

That is SOOOooo original! HA HA HA !


I'm falling down beside myself laughing so hard. HA HA HA!



... hadn't heard that one before! HA HA HA



... HA HA HA You should be a comedian HA HA HA




I guess I laughed too much - - I tried to post and got:

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   I'm sure your mother is very proud of you.

 

[TonyC]

I'm sure your mother is very proud of you.

As a matter of fact, she is.









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[320AV8R]

Tony-

Your posts are quite interesting, but that pic of Angry Fred is starting to freak me out. (I guess you guys have an angry management also). Don't change it though.....

320AV8R

 

[TonyC]

Your posts are quite interesting, but that pic of Angry Fred is starting to freak me out.

Angry? Do you think he looks angry? Hmmmm....


That's strange. The picture was taken while he was in Toulouse at the unveiling, err, I mean "reveal" of the A-380. From all I could see, it was a festive occassion. Why do you suppose he would have been angry?










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[mrtoy2]

I wasn't trying to be original. Just stating a common feeling within the ranks of ALPA these days... It isn't meant to be funny.

 

[TonyC]

I wasn't trying to be original. Just stating a common feeling within the ranks of ALPA these days... It isn't meant to be funny.

Well, OK, that's fair. It's also fair to remind you that ALPA is a democratic organization, and any member has the opportunity to run for the office. It looks to me like the "common" feeling is the "minority" opinion.

Who else have you seen testify before Congress on your behalf lately?





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[PBRstreetgang]

Does anyone else find it interesting that Duane Worthless is a NWA pilot but yet ALPA is not supporting the mechanic's strike?

Things that make ya go hmmm........

More Hmmm,
Lessee, If Mr. Worthless, ALPA president looses his JOB when/if NW goes chap 7, will he still be the head of ALPA? Sounds like an interesting question, self preservation is a strong instinct, 400k a year is pretty powerful too!
Strongly repulsed, watching with rapt attention
PBR

 

[TonyC]

More Hmmm,
Lessee, If Mr. Worthless, ALPA president looses his JOB when/if NW goes chap 7, will he still be the head of ALPA? Sounds like an interesting question, ...

That, indeed, is an interesting question.


You're not under the mistaken assumption that Captain Woerth made the decision, are you? He is NOT a member of the NWA ALPA MEC that DID make that decision. Do you think they were thinking about their jobs when they made the decision? Absolutely, they were, and the jobs of all the pilots they represent, too. It's their JOB to preserve the jobs, silly.

 

[jetflier]

NEVER EVER ANYONE, Say one thing about a CO pilot or a EAL pilot again.

Because every pilot that was on property before those strikes and then crossed used the same logic in their hearts and heads that you NWA pilots are using at this very minute.

Those men and women, thought and said to ALPA, "We can not win this, we will only be burning down our company, at the loss of future lives, and careers." Yet to this day, other high and mighty airman, slander, backstab, and curse the other proffesionals for standing by their company at those times.

Funny that here in 2005 a NWA pilot is a hero for doing the same thing that 15 years ago he chided.

CoRect me if I'm wrong.....but wasn't the Continental strike an ALPA picket line that the CAL SCABS crossed?

 

[PCL_128]

More Hmmm,
Lessee, If Mr. Worthless, ALPA president looses his JOB when/if NW goes chap 7, will he still be the head of ALPA? Sounds like an interesting question, self preservation is a strong instinct, 400k a year is pretty powerful too!
Strongly repulsed, watching with rapt attention
PBR

Sorry, but your theory doesn't hold water. The President of the Association is not even required to be a pilot. If NWA goes under, Captain Woerth keeps his job as ALPA President. Self-preservation is not an issue at all in this case. Besides, the Association President didn't make this decision. The NWA MEC did. And a very wise decision it was.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sorry, but your theory doesn't hold water. The President of the Association is not even required to be a pilot. If NWA goes under, Captain Woerth keeps his job as ALPA President. Self-preservation is not an issue at all in this case. Besides, the Association President didn't make this decision. The NWA MEC did. And a very wise decision it was.

This brings up yet another example of ALPA's hypocritical actions. Several years ago, one of ALPA's EVPs, JM, turned 60. JM was a United pilot and at the time, United had pilots over 60 in the FE seat. Therefor, JM was allowed to keep his position. Shortly after 911, United retired it's 727s abruptly and there were no longer any over 60 pilots at United. The ALPA executive board passed a special resolution to allow JM to stay on past 60 while at the same time it openly advocated for every other ALPA pilot to leave at 60. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Joe

 

[psycho]

NWA MGT is brilliant!!

No more union mechanics. Next will be the gate agents and ground handlers. After that, the F/A's will be toast. Then the pilots will agree to what they are already resigned to, a 35% pay cut.

NWA will then declare bankruptcy and commence to rape and pillage all employees and stockholders. Duane is no dummy, his salary and pension will come from ALPA.

See you in the stockroom at WAL-MART.