Interesting rumor on A-net about B6 & 190

[lowecur]

3000lbs more fuel is about 360 gal more. That should buy them another 300 more nm over the 2200nm advertised range. This will certainly give them a functional range into the jetstream of close to 1900nm. Looks like BUF, ROC, SYR, and other small cities on the east coast will find LAS doable. Look for them to grab lots of those gates at LAS.

[font=ARIAL,]FI reports today that EMB unveiled extended range E190 and E195 variants and announced that jetBlue was switching their 100 E190 orders to the increased range model.

The formal announcement will be made later this week.

The advanced range variants - to be designated the Embraer 190AR and 195AR - will have strengthened bulkheads and wing structures to support about 1,360kg (3,000lb) of extra fuel, raising maximum takeoff weight to 51,170kg, according to executive VP for civil aircraft Frederico Fleury Curado.

Both new variants will be offered to all buyers, but were launched at the request of jetBlue, which has converted its full order to the advanced-range variant.[/font]

 

[canyonblue]

Look for them to grab lots of those gates at LAS.

Oh yea!, the yields to Vegas are almost as bad as the yields to Florida.

 

[lowecur]

Oh yea!, the yields to Vegas are almost as bad as the yields to Florida.

Yeah, that's why you and AWA have so many gates.....must be a real loser. When you fly 190's from those high RASM small/midsized towns it's a winner. You guys have many flts to LAS from mid-sized towns, and while the fares are reasonable, they are still very profitable.

 

[bandit110]

3000lbs more fuel is about 360 gal more.

Closer to 450 Gal. for 3000 lbs. Though I'm sure the extra structure weighs some too.

 

[lowecur]

3000lbs more fuel is about 360 gal more.

Closer to 450 Gal. for 3000 lbs. Though I'm sure the extra structure weighs some too.

Gal weighs 8.3lbs, no?

 

[Indapool]

Gal weighs 8.3lbs, no?

no

 

[Tristar]

No. Not if you are referring to jet fuel.

 

[Flechas]

1 gal = 6.767 Lbs

3000/6.767 = 443.3 Gals

 

[lowecur]

Wow

That would give them another 400nm at least at cruise. Takes the range out to 2600nm. Amazing....

Hate to say it parrots, but EMB just bought themselves another look from SWA.

 

[Guam360]

it varies with air density, water is 8.4

 

[TAZ MAN]

lowecur

Transport jets are not like cars where you can top them off with fuel and load as many bodies you can fit and go. There is a balance between the fuel you can carry and the payload you can carry. I have yet to seen (it may be out there) a transport jet than you can top off with fuel and passengers w/bags and takeoff. I have no idea what the performance limitations are on that jungle jet but I would be surprised if it was different than any other jet.

 

[iflyfred]

From the Embraer website:

The EMBRAER 190/195 AR versions have structural reinforcements in the fuselage, wings, pylons and flight control surfaces that allow the aircraft to be operated at higher Maximum Takeoff Weight and Maximum Landing Weight, translating in up to 300 nautical miles (nm) additional range, depending on specific operational conditions of each individual airline.

In standard conditions (Long Range Cruise, full passenger load and FAR reserves) the nominal range of the EMBRAER 190 AR version is 2,300 nm while the EMBRAER 195 AR’s is 2,100 nm.

http://www.embraer.com.br/institucional/download/2_005-Prd-VPC-E190_and_E195_AR-I-05.pdf

 

[canyonblue]

Gal weighs 8.3lbs, no?

Reason #4,438 you won't see Lowecur's name on my Dispatch Release.

 

[lowecur]

from the website

[font=ARIAL,]Here's the deal from the website. Rather a confusing statement on the range. It shows 2300nm as the "nominal" range with FAR reserves. Does that mean the practical range is 2300nm? If you add the FAR reserves to that, it takes it out over 2600nm. I hope that's the case, cause they showed a maximum range of 2200nm, and I believe that included the FAR reserve.[/font]

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http://www.embraer.com.br/institucional/download/2_005-Prd-VPC-E190_and_E195_AR-I-05.pdf



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[lowecur]

Reason #4,438 you won't see Lowecur's name on my Dispatch Release.

I'd luv to sign off on your dispatch release. Give my regards to JC.

 

[Iceback]

I doubt the range on jetBlue's aircraft will be extended at all. It is my understanding that the original range was going to be impacted by jetBlue's additional equipment (weight) added to the aircraft (Live TV, heads-up etc). The increase in fuel/weight was made to bring the aircraft back to the original spec range.
FWIW.

 

[jetblue320]

lowecur

Transport jets are not like cars where you can top them off with fuel and load as many bodies you can fit and go. There is a balance between the fuel you can carry and the payload you can carry. I have yet to seen (it may be out there) a transport jet than you can top off with fuel and passengers w/bags and takeoff. I have no idea what the performance limitations are on that jungle jet but I would be surprised if it was different than any other jet.

Ever heard of Max Gross Weight?

Your statement only makes sense based of the range of the destination. We load our A320's up with max passengers (including jumpseats), max fuel, and bellies loaded to the gills with bags and cargo and it leaves the ground just fine. I used to do the same with the B757. But, based on many factors, mainly temperature and elevation, you may be weight limited. And don't forget landing weight limits as well. If you max fill the fuel tanks, you need to use it!

As far as the E190, I don't have a clue.

C yaaaa

 

[jetblue320]

I doubt the range on jetBlue's aircraft will be extended at all. It is my understanding that the original range was going to be impacted by jetBlue's additional equipment (weight) added to the aircraft (Live TV, heads-up etc). The increase in fuel/weight was made to bring the aircraft back to the original spec range.
FWIW.

You are probably correct on that. We had added addtional center fuel cells to our A320 fleet (at least to the last 12 or so) and then ended up scraping the project just recently. The numbers just didn't pan out. I don't know all the tech details but I do know they took out the few that were instaled and abandoned the project of adding any more. I think they were only 2000 lb. tanks anyway.

C yaaa

 

[lowecur]

I doubt the range on jetBlue's aircraft will be extended at all. It is my understanding that the original range was going to be impacted by jetBlue's additional equipment (weight) added to the aircraft (Live TV, heads-up etc). The increase in fuel/weight was made to bring the aircraft back to the original spec range.
FWIW.

Shucks!

Here I thought I had another 300 sales lined up. In reading the press release, it doesn't mention the add'l size of the fuel tanks for each a/c. The 190 may only have room for 1500lbs, and the 195 may possibly take the full 3000lbs. The 195s range did increase from 1800 to 2100nm, but the 190 only went from 2200 to 2300nm. If you figure the weight of the HUD's & Direct TV, that may easily add a thousand pounds to the a/c.

Oh well, next step will be the new upgrade from GE on the engines.

 

[airbaker]

Hot off the press: *this came from DB during the most recent pocket session

The 190 project manager was quoted as saying that the range will be "around 2000 miles...the gross weight increase will allow us to use it for missions it was originally intended"

This assumed max payload with 85% Boeing winds in the winter.

So will it go from upstate N.Y. to LAS...maybe.

FWIW