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In taking a break from the usual readings here about, "how my regional is worse than your regional" I found this......


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/05/13/341934/nasa-easyjet-to-study-commuting-fatigue.html




DATE:13/05/10
SOURCE:Flight International
NASA, EasyJet to study commuting, fatigue
By John Croft
The first quantitative data on the suspected link between how far US pilots commute to work versus their level of fatigue when they get there may come from a comprehensive new flightcrew monitoring programme in Europe.
UK-based low-fare carrier EasyJet, under an agreement with NASA, is soon to start the first of three studies aimed at using demographic data, questionnaires, real-time measurements and flight data monitoring to develop objective measures of physiological and cognitive effects of fatigue, including the impact of commuting.

The NASA work is not related to efforts by the US National Transportation Safety Board, which as part of its investigation into the Colgan Air Bombardier Q400 crash near Buffalo, New York in February 2009, has asked the US Federal Aviation Administration to require airlines to "address fatigue risks associated with commuting, including identifying pilots who commute, establishing policy and guidance to mitigate fatigue risks for commuting pilots".
The NTSB found that 70% of Colgan pilots commuted to the airline's Newark Liberty International airport base, and 20% were commuting 1,600km (1,000 miles) or more.
The FAA has not favoured pilot commuting limit rules, partly because of the economic impact it might have on pilots who would be required to relocate. But the agency is expected to release this year a proposed rulemaking on fatigue management that would require measures, including scheduling, to reduce fatigue.
If fatigue markers can be defined in data, NASA or airlines will in theory be able to identify accident precursors through collected flight data monitoring databases, including flight operations quality assurance (FOQA) archives, as well as textual information from aviation safety action programmes.
The latter two are elements in the FAA's broader aviation safety information analysis and sharing system (ASIAS), an aggregation of safety databases meant to help it intervene in safety issues in advance of incidents or accidents. "Our algorithms sort through massive amounts of data and find samples of time where something unusual is happening," says Ashok Srivastava, principal investigator for NASA's Integrated Vehicle Health Management research project. "We do this by comparing data that is nominal or typically observed with data that is atypical."
In the fatigue study, 20 pilot and flight attendant volunteers in three groups will fill out surveys and wear specialised equipment that continuously monitors as many as 20 physical and cognitive parameters around the clock starting several days before to several days after their six-day duty cycle.
EasyJet has agreed to "allow us to link demographic information on the flightcrews, since [commuting distance] is linked to fatigue", says Irving Statler, a human factors expert at NASA's Ames Research Centre.
Statler says the demographic information - a survey that includes a crew's commuter starting point - will be de-identified. NASA will have access to daily transfers of the data on which it will test various algorithms designed to link the fatigue measurements to flight data monitoring. "We're responsible for discovering the anomalies in their data," says Statler.
Shortly to go on tap at EasyJet will be a cabin crew. The first of two flightcrew studies is set for around September.
Airbus, EasyJet, French aerospace laboratory Onera and NASA previously worked together on a study that analysed the benefits of using earlier NASA algorithms that search for atypical data as compared with an industry- standard FOQA analysis program. Researchers compared the analysis packages on Airbus A319 flight monitoring data from 79 flights over a two-month period between the same city pair.
While the Aircraft Flight Analysis and Safety Explorer (AirFASE) programme flags data anomalies based on predefined limits set by standard operating procedures, the NASA program, called the Morning Report, searched for differences from activity considered to be "normal", in this case, 210 flights in the four months preceding the comparison flights.
The researchers concluded that both programs are valuable, with Morning Report filling the gap "between tracking known events and discovering unexpected events with a statistical process that requires no a priori information about safety hazards", says NASA.
Statler says it will be vital to develop a variety of data mining tools for ASIAS in advance of the FAA's next generation air transport system. "It will give the industry the capability for proactive management of risk, from a national perspective," he says. "All that data needs to be mined, with information extracted and fused to get the right perspective. It's essential."
 
what about driving to work. i live an hour, no traffic on 95 (52miles)from my base. if there is traffic it can be 2 hours (on 95 the highway of death). an hour away is the only place I can start to afford to live on my pay. CLT is a diff story but too senior. What if I was based in LGA. I'd still have to live in the same place I live now for a PHL base because NY is out of the question and Jersey is ridiculous also at 40K/year. So I'd be forced into a hectic 2 to 3 hours drive that costs 30 to 40 bucks round trip in tolls alone. DCA would be the same situation. the only people that live in the DC area that are based there are the fortune 500 guys that can afford it or older baby boomers that bought close to DCA 20 to 30 years ago. if your junior and in your 30's and an FO forget it, your driving (playing road warrior) from the VA or PA sticks.

The fact is commuting or not (driving) until these companies want to pay us a wage so we can live in a safe area and be based at airports like JFK, LAX, DCA ect. we will continue to have fatigue problems.
 
...or pay us according to where we are based / cost of living. $30,000/ year might be ok if you live in Memphis or Atlanta, but its nowhere near enough if you are based in EWR, LGA, JFK, PHL, ORD, etc... Maybe something like "If your base is ORD, and you live in base, you are entitled to $XXX over-ride per hour" or something to that extent. There would need to be a way to keep people who commute to ORD from less costly places from "scamming" the system though. I don't really know how you could implement such a system, but it would definitely encourage people who otherwise couldn't afford it to live in base.
 
...or pay us according to where we are based / cost of living.

Funny you should say that...the FAA has locality pay. It would be easy....all pilots at year X, in seat X make the same base hourly pay. Additionally, pilots who LIVE, not commute in Domicile Y get an additional $___.
But that would require an additional 2 or 3 bucks per ticket....and the cheap azz WalMart minded public would rather just watch planes crash and demand a fix---that doesn't cost anything.:rolleyes:
 
...or pay us according to where we are based / cost of living. $30,000/ year might be ok if you live in Memphis or Atlanta, but its nowhere near enough if you are based in EWR, LGA, JFK, PHL, ORD, etc... Maybe something like "If your base is ORD, and you live in base, you are entitled to $XXX over-ride per hour" or something to that extent. There would need to be a way to keep people who commute to ORD from less costly places from "scamming" the system though. I don't really know how you could implement such a system, but it would definitely encourage people who otherwise couldn't afford it to live in base.






They've been paying our rampers and agents an "override" for years now if they work out of a more expensive city!!!
 
. I don't really know how you could implement such a system, but it would definitely encourage people who otherwise couldn't afford it to live in base.

You couldn't really. FO's should be making $50,000 after a couple of years regardless of where they live.
 
I remember specifically during the 3407 NTSB hearing that someone in Management was asked the question of whether administrative personnell were paid a locality rate for working in EWR to which the answer was yes. Then they were asked if the pilots were paid a locality rate for working in EWR to which the answer was no.

That spoke volumes aobut how management views pilots. no respect. no consideration.

That really grinds my gears.
 

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