Interesting article about DAL/NWA

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I understand the idea of wanting to have a good relationship with mgmt but we cant forget that these mgmts are the same people that cut the pay and retirements and would do it all over again. They arent looking out for our best interests, hence the need for unions, right?

Yes and no. Our union just negotiated with our management for a raise & job protections. Get on board & we can do better.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't owe you any explanations about anything.
Rah!Rah! Go ALPA!
Oh yeah....how's that been working out for you lately?
YOUR experience has yielded such success, congrats.
Love the avatar

In other words, you have no union work experience, and you have no understanding of what it takes to be successful in union work. Your criticisms of Captain Moak are ridiculous.

 

[PCL_128]

I understand the idea of wanting to have a good relationship with mgmt but we cant forget that these mgmts are the same people that cut the pay and retirements and would do it all over again. They arent looking out for our best interests, hence the need for unions, right?

You can work with management on occasion while still remembering that they are not your buddy. DALPA worked with management to fend off the USAirways acquisition, and that was a very smart move. Captain Moak compromised no principles in that action, and the ultimate result was what was best for the airline and the pilots. Good leaders understand when it benefits the union to work with management, and when it doesn't.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I worked with Moak and Muth (quoted in the article) -- both good dudes. If you don't work at Delta, and don't know Lee -- you think you really have a credible opinion of him?

 

[d.fitz]

Hopefully it's a "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" type of relationship.

Either way it doesn't matter. Just read today that there is a $165 MILLION dollar penalty to the company that walks away from the merger, and Steenlands' contract got amended to a post merger payout of like $11 million - BUT the extra $4 million is ONLY if the merger goes through!

Guess we are going to enjoy the ride no matter what...

The full article: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080418/northwest_steenland.html?.v=3

 

[bravodude]

I don't owe you any explanations about anything.
Rah!Rah! Go ALPA!
Oh yeah....how's that been working out for you lately?
YOUR experience has yielded such success, congrats.
Love the avatar

Dude dont worry, this guy works for a scab non-alpa airline. Enough said!

 

[regionaltard]

It "takes courage and it's a lot of risk," Bastian said, noting that the turning point came in the past two weeks when the Delta pilot leadership "stepped up and said they were willing to do a deal" on their own. "

From here in the cheap seats it looked a whole lot more like a desire to beat the NW pilots to the punch and cut a relatively advantageous deal at their expense. Any time the corporate media says: "Oooo, this is great" you can bet that workers got screwed somewhere in the deal.

 

[FDJ2]

Hit piece enabled by someone with a long-standing conflict with Moak. His name is all over it as a matter of fact.

Mike Stark recommended that DALPA should buy Grinstein flowers and taking him to a ballgame, as well as crafting a concessionary contract that would allow the company to come back for more without having to go through "15 rounds" of negotiations.

I wouldn't put much credence in the opinions of Mike Stark.

 

[FDJ2]

...and yet, it is all true...There were DL pilots on here recently BRAGGING about the fact that they "enjoy such a great relationship with mgt" and how Moak went to the birthday parties, etc...this info is not a new "hit piece," it is sadly true.

There is nothing wrong with having a good relationship with management as long as the results of that relationship are good for the membership. This attitude of always being an "irritant" for the sake of being an "irritant, only marginalizes the union. It's about results.

 

[FDJ2]

A union exists to act in the best interests of labor in that union...NOT to have a buddy buddy relationship with mgt.

As long as the relationship benefits the membership there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[PCL_128]

Dude dont worry, this guy works for a scab non-alpa airline. Enough said!

Said the SWAPA member.

 

[737 Pylt]

Mike Stark recommended that DALPA should buy Grinstein flowers and taking him to a ballgame, as well as crafting a concessionary contract that would allow the company to come back for more without having to go through "15 rounds" of negotiations.

I wouldn't put much credence in the opinions of Mike Stark.

The only thing Mike Stark seems to have right is that he is a pilot for Delta. Other than that, you're right, I wouldn't put any credence in anything that guy says! He's got a personal agenda.

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[retired guy]

The only thing Mike Stark seems to have right is that he is a pilot for Delta. Other than that, you're right, I wouldn't put any credence in anything that guy says! He's got a personal agenda.

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Plus he gives really crappy investment advice.

 

[737 Pylt]

Plus he gives really crappy investment advice.

:laugh: :laugh:
Has he ever gotten anything right?

737

 

[737 Pylt]

Dude dont worry, this guy works for a scab non-alpa airline. Enough said!

Said the PFT puke!:laugh: :laugh:

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