Instrument approach on commercial checkride?

[JAFI]

Mark, I do applaud his effort to ask the question. My concern is that it is not enough of a question and late. It is not the question "IS only this one part legal" but, did I as the Instructor ensure all my students training is enough, legal, and up to standards for the exam. And all he has to do is take the time to read the material. But what I really wonder about is why not do the homework before training was started? He said he "hasn't instructed in a while" and he "should know this". YES to both questions... This is where I bang my head on the desk.... Knowing where you lack knowledge is so much better than not knowing. The easy part, ESPECALLY when it is all accessible on the internet, is to prepare your self as a student and instructor.

But, I could be jumping to conclusions here. He may have done this and is just checking at the end of the training program. Yes, that’s it. My head doesn't hurt so much now. Really he worded his question poorly and did review all material prior to beginning training. Now the color is coming back to my fingers. He made a complete set of lesson plans. Checked them for completeness, legality, and purpose. Followed the plans and produced a product he can be proud of. A safe, proficient pilot. OK, I'm feeling much better.

I have been accused to being to harsh and "beating up" some of the posters. What I have seen a judge do makes my comments sound like a whisper.

 

[LouSwatch]

Mark, I do applaud his effort to ask the question. My concern is that it is not enough of a question and late. It is not the question "IS only this one part legal" but, did I as the Instructor ensure all my students training is enough, legal, and up to standards for the exam. And all he has to do is take the time to read the material. But what I really wonder about is why not do the homework before training was started? He said he "hasn't instructed in a while" and he "should know this". YES to both questions... This is where I bang my head on the desk.... Knowing where you lack knowledge is so much better than not knowing. The easy part, ESPECALLY when it is all accessible on the internet, is to prepare your self as a student and instructor.

But, I could be jumping to conclusions here. He may have done this and is just checking at the end of the training program. Yes, that’s it. My head doesn't hurt so much now. Really he worded his question poorly and did review all material prior to beginning training. Now the color is coming back to my fingers. He made a complete set of lesson plans. Checked them for completeness, legality, and purpose. Followed the plans and produced a product he can be proud of. A safe, proficient pilot. OK, I'm feeling much better.

I have been accused to being to harsh and "beating up" some of the posters. What I have seen a judge do makes my comments sound like a whisper.

OK Wow, yeah I should have been much clearer here. I wrote that he is going for his commercial certificate, meaning to start training, not to take the test. I now see why it was interpreted that way. My mistake. I have not even started this training yet. I was in the process of writing a syllabus and basic lesson plans for this individual student because he is a slightly different scenario than most new commercial students (trying to do an accelerated program with him and he is a very competent pilot). I don't want to make him pay for additional training that isn't completely necessary. I didn't have a PTS with me at home (I now know that they are online in PDFs, thank you RakeFlight), so I figured I would get some quick verification from other professionals, which I got in the first 2 replies. Sorry for the poor phrasing in the question, and I could do without the lectures on how to do my job.

 

[JAFI]

OK Wow, yeah I should have been much clearer here. I wrote that he is going for his commercial certificate, meaning to start training, not to take the test.

Going for a certificate could mean thinking about it, started training, up to going out the door to take the exam.....

I now see why it was interpreted that way. My mistake. I have not even started this training yet. I was in the process of writing a syllabus and basic lesson plans for this individual student because he is a slightly different scenario than most new commercial students (trying to do an accelerated program with him and he is a very competent pilot). I don't want to make him pay for additional training that isn't completely necessary.

Good for you. Prepration and planning avoid poor performance.

I didn't have a PTS with me at home (I now know that they are online in PDFs, thank you RakeFlight), so I figured I would get some quick verification from other professionals, which I got in the first 2 replies.

So if this was a specific discussion, you were getting an area to research your self or were you getting "legal" advice from a fourm? The former I would say good for you, the latter I would say don't bet the farm on free legal advice.

Sorry for the poor phrasing in the question, and I could do without the lectures on how to do my job.

Now here is the dig. It is my job to lecture instructors/examiners on how to do their job. I see too many canidates showing up for exams not legal or ready to take the exam and I hope I can assist instructors to be better prepared. As many others on a discussion fourm I give my experiences and knowledge free to those who would take it.

Several Instructors/operators have made that same "don't tell me how to do my job" comment to me. So I honor their request but when the time comes I don't lecture, I just send a certified letter with my concerns and let the lawyers sort it out. As do other Inspectors. Now I would rather give advice, ask questions, and clairfy a concern before the need to write letters happens. But I am flexable, I get paid the same either way. However, here I do this for free.

 

[Mickey]

Wow! You came here asking how to do your job and are now saying you don't need lectures on how to do your job. Interesting! I guess you don't need lectures , only instruction. What's a PTS?