Instrumant training

[midlifeflyer]

Yep. I think this is the whole logging vs acting thing.

Not 100% positive but I'm pretty sure the -II would be acting as PIC and you would be logging under sole manipulator?

Can anyone confirm?

Yup. You nailed it. Assuming, of course, that the instrument student is rated for the aircraft, the instrument student gets to write numbers in the PIC column of his logbook, while the instrument rated and current CFII takes command responsibility for the flight.

 

[Mr. Cole]

I had about 35 of the 50 hours XC before starting the IR. It's my personal belief, which probably doesn't mean anything to anyone but me, that you should build experience without the crutch of a CFI in the right seat. If those ten hours of solo XC time were obtained during the training for the PPL, then you still had to have your CFI review your flight planning and sign off on the trip. By the time I started the IR I felt that my skills as a VFR pilot had increased tremendously since the checride. I was more confident in my overall flying ability, but starting the IR broke me down and built me back up as an even better pilot. I also saw some marginal weather that gave me a practical reason for obtaining the IR, not just the fact that it would make me a better pilot overall. There are certainly ways to do that without the IR. If you're not looking to fly as a career then what's the rush in going for the IR right after the PPL?

Dave

 

[heavy_d]

If you're not looking to fly as a career then what's the rush in going for the IR right after the PPL?

Dave

I'm not doing it for the career its just I'm 17 and don't have anything else to spend my money on. It sounds to me after reading all of your posts that there are pros and cons to both 61 and 141 so it's all about if you want to have fun getting the hours, or just getting it over with. Thanks for your posts!

 

[minitour]

...It sounds to me after reading all of your posts that there are pros and cons to both 61 and 141 so it's all about if you want to have fun getting the hours, or just getting it over with. Thanks for your posts!

While there are pros and cons to both, I'd disagree with the statement that one way is "fun" while the other is "get it over with".

The 141 school I'm at could have gone quicker if airplanes weren't down, but I'm sure I could have gone where I got my PPL (61) and done it quicker too.

Either way, I had a blast getting my PPL and IR and I'm having lots of fun getting my CPL. Just because its "faster paced" doesnt mean "less fun".

I guess it just depends on how you look at it. Personally, I like learning (nerd), so the "accellerated" 141 school is fun for me, but I also could have learned the same amount part 61, and in the same amount of time.

Keep in mind if you go 141 that just because the school can do this or that in "less time" doesn't make them a ticket factory. I'm not saying that you think like this, but I've seen people in my ground schools that don't understand any of the information (and I think I ask stupid questions) and are whining because they "paid for a ticket and they want it". The reality is you're paying for training (both 141 and 61) and you've got to put in your time and effort either way. The harder you work and study, the more fun you'll have and the faster it will go for you.

Anyway...thats MHO.

-mini

 

[bobbysamd]

Part 61 v. 141

I'm not doing it for the career its just I'm 17 and don't have anything else to spend my money on. It sounds to me after reading all of your posts that there are pros and cons to both 61 and 141 so it's all about if you want to have fun getting the hours, or just getting it over with. Thanks for your posts!

You might be surprised at what might have started as fun ended as a career. Take it from someone who knows. Just as with you, aviation started out for me as fun and something I always wanted to do. Six years later, it was putting food on my table - and it was still fun.

I say this only as food for thought. All my training was under Part 61. It was fun - because that was all I wanted at the moment - and took a long time. I wished later that I had trained at least some of the time under 141, because I would have learned more, better and faster. If I had it to do over again, I would earned at least my multi and CFI ratings under 141.

In your situation, if you're flying for fun, Part 61 with a good instructor is probably fine. There will be less pressure. But if you are harboring even the slightest thought about being a professional pilot at some point, Part 141 may be well worth considering.

Good luck with however you choose to train.

 

[cessna_driver2]

I have found (with the 141 I went to) that you fly the same amount of hours doing the 141 route as the 61 route. It just cost you twice as much.

Honestly I can say most of the retention I have is due to the hammering I got from the 141 school. I believe it gave the a very good foundation to build upon.

Good luck and congrats on you PVT.