Instructor: CMR 5191 Pilots Violated Rules

[Axel]

Our releases have about 2 feet of NOTAM's. It's hard to tell where one ends and the next begins. That doesn't stop me from taking the time to read them (or at least scan them for the relevant ones) but it is a huge mish-mash of information that defies human nature to examine in detail.

This in no way enhances safety. All it does is give the pencil pushers (and the lawyers) the ability to point their collective fingers at the crew and say "They had the NOTAM" if anything goes wrong.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Our releases have about 2 feet of NOTAM's. It's hard to tell where one ends and the next begins. That doesn't stop me from taking the time to read them (or at least scan them for the relevant ones) but it is a huge mish-mash of information that defies human nature to examine in detail.

This in no way enhances safety. All it does is give the pencil pushers (and the lawyers) the ability to point their collective fingers at the crew and say "They had the NOTAM" if anything goes wrong.

AAAAAAAAAAMEN!

 

[Crossky]

The fact that the closed taxiway notams weren't published in the paperwork the crew had, or that they didn't have a Yellow Jepp 10-8 showing it, or that the ATIS didn't have it, and controller didn't mention it once, or mention a suitable taxi route, WILL be declared a contributing factor in this accident IMO. If it's not that will be unfair the pilots.

As a result of an almost serious runway incursion I had at a very busy airline airport this past spring, I religiously verbally brief all unfamiliar airport taxis before hand. It helps me and my crew definitely.

Check the link to the LEX diagram.
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0707/00697AD.PDF

or http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLEX

I believe that A7 was closed for construction. From the departure end of RWY26, Comair 5191 would've had to taxi down 26 and back taxi down 22 to get in position to properly TO on RWY22.

Why didn't the controller give appropriate taxi instuctions to Comair 5191 or make sure visually that they took off on the correct runway, especially under the altered taxiway layout conditions?

 

[Mike man]

I've noticed that the regionals harbor an attitude of "breaking the rules" and non-standard flying. It seems the vast majority of regional pilots half-a$$ checklists, callouts, profiles, etc. on a regular basis.

I know a captain who had a mainline pilot tell him and his FO exactly that...after he struck up a conversation during the taxi out...they returned to gate and removed the jumpseater.

Recently I had a line check with an apparent bipolar check airman. During our taxi out at a smaller airport he struck up a conversation, I asked him to knock it off, he said it was ok...when we got to the big airport, he once again struck up a conversation and my FO and I answered the questions. When we shutdown at the gate he said he had a serious issue whit our violation of the sterile cockpit rule and that we are lucky that he didn't fail us. I bit my lip, shook his hand and he got off the airplane. To my shock my FO jumped out of the airplane and grabbed him and had it out whit this guy...I went out to speak my mind. The check airman explained that there is a difference in airports and that some you need to be more professional at than others. My FO and I just laughed and walked away...what a jacka$$.