Input Requested???????????????

[hotwing]

Hey -- have a GREAT chance to come over there. Input please based on the following info:

currently at a regional commuting to ORD from DFW

interviewing @ NJA soon

interviewing at a corporate flight department -- large oil company with several planes -- will have to move but will be able to stay in the same state - TEXAS...


Input -ideas from all view points / aspects are appreciated...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

sounds like a really tough decision to me!!

(nice colorful post by the way)...

 

[Dep676]

You must be at Eagle I take it. I know that is not for me at all. I am at Options and I love it there except the pay. You have to ask yourself what is going to be around longer. NetJets has been around a long and I do not think that it is going anywhere anytime soon. Once they get their contract worked out things will be better. The pay anyway that is all I know that is downfall there now. As far as the oil company. How long have they been around and what is the turnover rate like? Like G-200 said it sounds like a tough decision.

Good luck in whatever choice you make.

 

[skydriver]

This whole business is a crap shoot. Ask the people who chose Pan Am because the Big Blue Marble - #2 logo in the world - would always be there. Or the folks who left Fedex cause the paychecks bounced and it was just a matter of time until it was gone. As to Netjets, noone was lied too, they were given current circumstances as they were at the time. That period of rapid growth was never going to last forever, but it could return in spurts. There was a time when Delta was growing so fast they had pilots with the seniority to bid captain but who were not old enough to hold an ATP. Conditions change. If anyone has a crystal ball that lets them know the future growth of aviation and the pay for the different sectors, they sure don't need to be wasting their time flying airplanes.
As to Netjets, I came knowing the current sitiation. It has changed dramatically in response to world and economic events. However my basic reasons for coming are the same. It is not undercapitalized, it is as stable as anything in the aviation industry, and we fly excellent equipment with what I have found to be a good safety ethic. When the chips are down NJA also looks after its own. I have seen this first hand more than once. When I walk out to my airplane I envy noone's job or aircraft that I see on the ramp. Their pay maybe, but not their job. And I feel sure our pay will improve.
Netjets is not for everyone, but it fits for me. Make an informed decision and then don't look back. Life is too short - hell its too long - to engage in a mentality of the glass being half empty and then come here and whine and bash others. Good luck and be happy.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I was joking about it being a tough call...



but heck, whatever floats your boat...

 

[hotwing]

tough call ? yes...

So what is tough call... Corporate 100 company -- fractional or staying here and no, I am not at Eagle -- Gulfstream -- what do you think???????????? Have you been there and done that?????????????????

I was joking about it being a tough call...



but heck, whatever floats your boat...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I would go with the fractional - Union protection and a new contract coming.

 

[hotwing]

Nja -- Corporate?

The pay is a lot better at this corp. job and no one has ever left -- the openings are due to retirements ... great equipment -- large corporation... But, NetJets was the place that I was wanting to go to first and this just happened...

I would go with the fractional - Union protection and a new contract coming.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

The pay is a lot better at this corp. job and no one has ever left -- the openings are due to retirements ... great equipment -- large corporation... But, NetJets was the place that I was wanting to go to first and this just happened...

Hey be real. You'll never make here at NetJets what you could if you went on to the majors. Go to SW or JB or the corp gig. No one is helping our cause by applying here. We DON'T want ANYONE ELSE COMING HERE...period. But besides that, take the texas job...retired and wealthier folks can't be wrong.

 

[dkte737]

I am at Netjets and also flew for a fortune 50 company that recently (6-12 months) celebrated their 75th anniversay in the flight Department on Pro Pilot mag....

the Corporate job was unique...12 aircraft...1 HQ and 3 Satellites...I was at a satellite in Florida...we only flew 1 type but at the HQ they flew 2. The job, and pay were great, benefits, retirement....living the dream....then they closed the base....after 3 years.....I didn't/couldn't move to the HQ so I took a severance. Some big names in business have folded the majority or all of the flight departmet....MCI/worldcomm, Aetna, Texaco, Sundstrand Aerospace etc...and Mobil Oil...consolodated with Exxon...alot of jobs gone...I had an opportunity to go there in Houston (Satelitte base) and ended up in the Airlines instead...in turn which I was furloughed from....

I do like Netjets...stable, making money, growing, ...the job function is a little different but its ok.. The money will(hope) have to come to make this place worthwhile....which i believe it will....how much who knows...but having somekind of union, a seniority list, protection and the appearance of being a company that will be here for a long time....swayed my decision to come here.

In reference to a previous post, we dont know that a regional like Delta would grow, United, or Eastern, Pan Am...fall.

Good luck with your decision, talk with family, use your brain, what makes you feel better.

David

 

[BrnJetFuel]

I am at Netjets and also flew for a fortune 50 company that recently (6-12 months) celebrated their 75th anniversay in the flight Department on Pro Pilot mag....

the Corporate job was unique...12 aircraft...1 HQ and 3 Satellites...I was at a satellite in Florida...we only flew 1 type but at the HQ they flew 2. The job, and pay were great, benefits, retirement....living the dream....then they closed the base....after 3 years.....I didn't/couldn't move to the HQ so I took a severance. Some big names in business have folded the majority or all of the flight departmet....MCI/worldcomm, Aetna, Texaco, Sundstrand Aerospace etc...and Mobil Oil...consolodated with Exxon...alot of jobs gone...I had an opportunity to go there in Houston (Satelitte base) and ended up in the Airlines instead...in turn which I was furloughed from....

I do like Netjets...stable, making money, growing, ...the job function is a little different but its ok.. The money will(hope) have to come to make this place worthwhile....which i believe it will....how much who knows...but having somekind of union, a seniority list, protection and the appearance of being a company that will be here for a long time....swayed my decision to come here.

In reference to a previous post, we dont know that a regional like Delta would grow, United, or Eastern, Pan Am...fall.

Good luck with your decision, talk with family, use your brain, what makes you feel better.

David

To all NetJets Pilots. As much as we may all like or dislike being here, we are not helping our cause when we sit here and promote it to potential newhires. You and I get paid less with every new application NJA see's. Let's start a movement of keeping our mouths shut and helping those who are here already and after that is done we can help those who aren't.

So, for any new prospective pilot looking at NJA, consider other places. Please don't apply or give NetJets any indication that you want to work here. None of us knows which way this contract will go and we only want to bring management to it's knees begging for more pilots. The only way to get more pilots is improve pay and more gateways for everyone.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Yea Griz, I think you're right... I carried picket sign for Eastern and it looks like I'm going to carry a sign against NetJets. I certainly wouldn't take a job here until I could sustain myself for a while without a paycheck.....I think its really going to get ugly now..................

New Hires beware....they are going to tell you what you want to here during your interrview.....you need to know that things are getting very critical over here.......very, very critical!!!!!!!!!!

 

[1900cpt]

This is a load of crap. How many more times do we need to hear that they are going to stay and wrap it up. THey have said that the last few times they went to negotiations.

 

[x402]

At least one more time, what crap!!!!

 

[1900cpt]

each time they do that, my bank account gets smaller and smaller...along with my hopes of seeing a new contract anytime soon

 

[bluepost]

The only thing worse than 27k a year is that pay for 3-6 months and then ZERO because your now on strike. I'm not a big poster here, but if I were a potential new hire I would be following this situation VERY closely. Think about striking while on probation...that takes some nads and some serious cash.

 

[CatYaaak]

Go for it!

I think you guys should strike. It would boost the expansion of corporate flight departments.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

each time they do that, my bank account gets smaller and smaller...along with my hopes of seeing a new contract anytime soon

1900cpt

Like it or not you need to support the MEC in public or keep your mouth shut!!

The company freaks love you...

Sorry Brother, but it had to be said.. Let the MEC do their jobs.........

 

[AA717driver]

There's no guarantee you'll get hired at NJA. Take the bird in hand at the corporate job.

If you don't buy that logic try this--What's the deal with the corporate outfit? Will you get typed and will you get any pic time? If yes, take it and always know the possibility exists that you may have to move on.

There is no security in this business. What if you go to NJA and they strike?

One thing you absolutely should not do is to make a career decision based on someone telling you their company sucks. Why should you sacrifice your seniority number because someone on a message board said not to come here because it wouldn't help him?

BrnJetFuel--I understand your frustration. Let him know what the deal is at NJA but to tell him it wouldn't help YOUR situation will probably only piss him off. The contract WILL eventually be resolved. Why cost some poor schmuck a bunch of numbers because you're pissed off and frustrated? If he doesn't take a job at NJ there' plenty more coming through the door that you can't dissuade.

Again, it's all a crapshoot.TC