Indy Air Rumor

[Indypilot]

FDJ2,


I'm not whining about not being able to fly DL code. I want it gone just as badly as you do. I do respect your scope clause. You guys have it for a reason, I'm glad to live by those rules for now, just as we have an iron clad scope clause and I would expect anyone one to honor that clause. I'm not asking for the DALPA guys to budge on their scope. In fact, in principal I'm happy they aren't allowing any exemptions.

It's not about that, I'm whining about your insensative remark targeted towards people that are about to lose their job. Hey your furloughs got what they wanted too didn't they? your management set up a business plan, and they certainly got what they deserved for going along with it, right?

Come on man, I don't want to see anyone lose their job, not here, not there, not anywhere. Yes we are going to have some more, it sucks, and it is managements fault, but it is in the best interest of the company right now. I'm not pointing a finger at DALPA like some others. If the shoes were on the other feet, I would hope we too would shoot down any attempt to work around our scope. Get out of the DALPA/DCI screaming at eachother mindset for a while think about your comment for a while. It's not whining about you guys, it's about calling someone out for a stupid remark like "you got what you wanted, now live with it." Im sure your furloughs feel the same.

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2,


I'm not pointing a finger at DALPA like some others.

No you're not, but I was responding to ignorant comments such as

"It is true. Probably closer to 150, less due to voluntary leaves. Still to be determined. Starting in Jan. Thanks to Delta, and the DALPA PWA."



"Delta MGT. decided it would rather piss on us then piss off DALPA."

As if somehow, respecting our PWA is to blame for your furloughs. These are management decisions and DAL isn't pissing on Indy, DAL management is acting in compliance with it's contractual obligations. My comments weren't directed at your furloughed pilots, but at the whiners.

You have a long hard road ahead of you, as you are well aware, I wish you luck and I hope you get your furloughed guys back in the air quickly.

 

[Rotorhead]

Ignorant would be an inaccurate representation of these comments. Certainly you disliked them but they are based in fact. Ignorance has no regard for facts.


FACT The Delta PWA is what preciptated DAL mgt to cancel our contract without cause. FACT

FACT The furloughs are due to the parking of the 328 fleet on Nov 2nd. FACT

FACT DAL mgt decided it would rather disolve our contract than run afoul of the PWA. FACT


The is no whining, no critisism of scope, no ill will towards Delta or its pilot group.

My statements are simply to point out the events that are contributing to the furlough .

 

[46Driver]

All in all, its a good thing for us to unload the DoJets on Delta. It may bring some short term pain, but if we got stuck with them, Indy Air would have a major problem.

 

[Always deferred]

Let me take a stab at this...from someone on the furlough fence's perspective:

Delta pilots have every right to protect their scope and their flying. We at indy would feel the same way should another carrier working for us come head to head with a scope issue. However, I believe much of the frustration and ill-will stems from the fact that DALPA/DAL mgmt were unwilling/unable to work in a transition program with ACA's 328s over a several month period that would have mitigated the number of furloughs. We had no problem with leaving the program, but it would have been nice for Delta, whether it be the Union or mgmt, to work with us to help preserve jobs while we exited to Independence.

 

[vc10]

If DAL goes bankrupt, Indy will be stuck with them. Indy is still responsible for the rent payments if DAL goes bankrupt. If DAL goes bankrupt, it will almost certainly return the 328s to Indy ASAP.

Indy couldn't permanently transfer the leases to DAL because DAL's credit is too poor. So it's still stuck if DAL pulls the Ch 11 lever.

Other than the regionals who fly for DAL, no airline has more of an interest in DAL staying out of Ch 11 than Indy.

All in all, its a good thing for us to unload the DoJets on Delta. It may bring some short term pain, but if we got stuck with them, Indy Air would have a major problem.

 

[chperplt]

We had no problem with leaving the program, but it would have been nice for Delta, whether it be the Union or mgmt, to work with us to help preserve jobs while we exited to Independence.

They did... They said you could continue to fly the code until you brought the 1st Airbus on line. Maybe you should have delayed that first delivery until you could have avoided the job loss.

It sucks any way you look at it. Your management had a choice and they did what was best for I-Air. DAL/DALPA did the same thing.

 

[LJDRVR]

Best of luck to my Brothers and Sisters at Indy, I hope the furlough goes quickly and everyone finds a way to put food on the table. If anybody needs some advice on the 135 world, feel free to PM me. i just completed over 5 years of charter, and maybe I could be of help.

Just out of curiosity, are the load factors coming up yet? I'm hoping y'all are successful, as your area of business is probably a big part of our future at my carrier.

Good Luck!

 

[Rotorhead]

They did... They said you could continue to fly the code until you brought the 1st Airbus on line.

Incorrect. They gave 180 days notice of termination IAW the contract. It is a coincidence that the 319 comes on line at about the same time as the 328 is parked.

I understand that part of the holdup announcing a new operator is Comair has thrown in a last minute offer to operate the 328 instead of Skyway.

 

[chperplt]

I understand that part of the holdup announcing a new operator is Comair has thrown in a last minute offer to operate the 328 instead of Skyway.

Comair threw in a bid months ago.. Nothing last minute about it.

 

[FDJ2]

FACT The Delta PWA is what preciptated DAL mgt to cancel our contract without cause. FACT

Fact, your management team had to be aware of this before they started out on this venture, so blame them and quit your whining about our PWA.



FACT DAL mgt decided it would rather disolve our contract than run afoul of the PWA.

Fact, DAL management has no choice in the matter, it is a contractual obligation which they are living up to as required by law. I would hope that you would support the concept of management honoring its CBA obligations.

 

[crjfo2b]

relpy to comair's monkey wrench

the delay with syx's beginning the contract has to to with ACA's determination that they own the parts inventory for the 328 and Delta is fighting it out with ACA over that, so its been put off till jan ive heard

 

[bladeusa]

hey you cant have your cake and eat it too... you wanted to go solo.. hope indy does well.

 

[Rotorhead]

Comair threw in a bid months ago.. Nothing last minute about it.

This is a new one. Completely unrelated.