Indy Air Rumor

[Networ-King]

I just heard that Indy Air just announced a round of furloughs of around 200 pilots or employees possibly. Any truth to this?

I saw their A-319 on Airliners.net website and it still had the foreign registration on it. Anyone with any news????

 

[hawkerflyer]

The aircraft usually start off with a German or French registration prior to delivery. Hope that furlough rumor isn't true. Good luck to you guys.

 

[WSurf]

I heard from a pilot buddy at ACA that they were gonna furlough about 150 pilots. However, they would try and have all back by end of next summer. Remember this is only rumor from him. Hope all goes well, have a few good buddies over there. Good Luck with Indy Air...

 

[flx757]

Networ-King,

How ya been, bud? Hope you're hanging in there and things are going ok for you.

A friend of mine at I-Air said, and I quote..."It is tricky, we will probably furlough in Jan 05 and probably displace Capts, so I have given up hope on getting back to the left seat, which is OK..."

I guess he is going to the right seat of the Airbus. So, that's about it as far as what he told me.

Good luck, man.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Unless this is a "just waiting for the Airbus" thing, this doesn't sound good. Assuming it's true, of course.

 

[Rotorhead]

It is true. Probably closer to 150, less due to voluntary leaves. Still to be determined. Starting in Jan. Thanks to Delta, and the DALPA PWA. No worries in the long run recalls are slated within about 9 months. It is due to the sudden pull down of 328 flying, the speed of Airbus deliveries/vice cash flow, and getting everybody through training.

A bitter pill to say good riddance to the express/connection flying. I'll take my chances on our own over rearranging deck chairs on sinking ships.

 

[generaltso]

What DOH does 150 go back to?

 

[Rotorhead]

@ 05/2002

 

[General Lee]

Oh yeah, thanks to us. Hey, will will not fund a LCC competitor. Sorry.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

It is true. Probably closer to 150, less due to voluntary leaves. Still to be determined. Starting in Jan. Thanks to Delta, and the DALPA PWA.

Quit your whining. You want to be independent, then have at it. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Broke in CVG]

Oh yeah, thanks to us. Hey, will will not fund a LCC competitor. Sorry.


Bye Bye--General Lee

If they move the 328s to Skyway isn't that the same thing.... funding Midwest Express?

 

[General Lee]

Sorry, I should have said a DIRECT LCC COMPETITOR. Midwest stays mostly out of our way. (except ATL--MKE) It makes sense, doesn't it? If you owned a business that could affect you (like most NE flying)---would you fund a direct competitor? I wouldn't. Maybe you would.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Rotorhead]

I am sure you Delta guys are familiar with the phrase "A contract is a contract" Well ACA had a 10yr contract with Delta to provide 30 regional jets in support of the Delta Connection program dated sometime in the spring of 2000. No limits or restrictions as to how ACA conducted business.



Now in the mean time, I guess the summer of 2001 you guys signed your current PWA including the present scope language. Our contract predates yours. We did nothing wrong in deciding to launch our own brand with the size jets we have on firm order.



Delta MGT. decided it would rather piss on us then piss off DALPA.



Subsidize the competition.......Due to the bankruptcy of Fairchild Dornier the manufacturer of those fine jets, the ACA DelCon was a break even proposition at best.



We are better off severing ties with you. It is a bit painful for those furloughed and displaced but lets not forget the contract language that triggered Delta MGT to cancel our contract without cause.



It isn't whining, merely a statement of the facts. Thanks for your time.

 

[Rotorhead]

The way this thread is heading, and most threads on this board is precisely why management will always win in the end. Today’s airline pilots are like the Indian tribes in the 1800's. There is a common enemy but little to nothing is done to band together to defeat the enemy. We hate each other simply because we work for a different company, exactly as management would like it. You can argue that a rivalry is good for competition. Sure it is if you are competing to keep wages and work rules as low as possible.



We are all in this together. Knocking over a couple of high rise buildings in NYC has changed this industry forever. ALPA, APA, et al, need to band together in to a single entity and re-define how this profession will sell its services. JB and the likes will have to join in also. The needs to be a truce between the RJDC and DALPA and every other example of pilots attacking pilots. For christs sake we are killing ourselves and will have nobody to blame but ourselves.

 

[Networ-King]

I am sure you Delta guys are familiar with the phrase "A contract is a contract" Well ACA had a 10yr contract with Delta to provide 30 regional jets in support of the Delta Connection program dated sometime in the spring of 2000. No limits or restrictions as to how ACA conducted business.



Now in the mean time, I guess the summer of 2001 you guys signed your current PWA including the present scope language. Our contract predates yours. We did nothing wrong in deciding to launch our own brand with the size jets we have on firm order.



Delta MGT. decided it would rather piss on us then piss off DALPA.



Subsidize the competition.......Due to the bankruptcy of Fairchild Dornier the manufacturer of those fine jets, the ACA DelCon was a break even proposition at best.



We are better off severing ties with you. It is a bit painful for those furloughed and displaced but lets not forget the contract language that triggered Delta MGT to cancel our contract without cause.



It isn't whining, merely a statement of the facts. Thanks for your time.

D a m n it to h e l l can we PUHLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE keep just this thread from turning into a FU%KING Delta VS DCI/ MAINLINE VS REGIONAL BULLSH!T????????????????????? TO THE FEW THAT KEEP ON KEEPIN ON WITH THE SAME OLD SH!T.............. GROW THE FU%k UP.....

Flx757,

Things are going alright..... except the.... ohhhh dare I say it " D " thing . You back to flying or still out for a bit? Drop a PM and let me know how you are.

 

[FDJ2]

I am sure you Delta guys are familiar with the phrase "A contract is a contract" Well ACA had a 10yr contract with Delta to provide 30 regional jets in support of the Delta Connection program dated sometime in the spring of 2000. No limits or restrictions as to how ACA conducted business.

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There are no limits on ACA, only on DAL. Also, your "contract is a contract" also had a clause which allows Delta to pull the plug on it. Now quit your whining over losing your DL code flying and go be "Independent". After all, isn't that what you wanted?

 

[Rotorhead]

As I said before, it isn't whining. Please read my post above.

 

[neflier]

There are no limits on ACA, only on DAL. Also, your "contract is a contract" also had a clause which allows Delta to pull the plug on it. Now quit your whining over losing your DL code flying and go be "Independent". After all, isn't that what you wanted?

I'm flying the 328 for ACA under Delta colors and couldn't agree more with your post. Whatever happens to IAir over the long haul will be our own doing. IMHO, we went into this venture knowing / wanting the end of the Delta contract. It's time for us to lay in the bed that we made for ourselves.

 

[Indypilot]

Quit your whining. You want to be independent, then have at it. I wish you the best of luck.

Thank you, we wish you luck as well.

Oh, and silly me, I forgot that episode where the 1500 pilots held senior management hostage and forced them to do this. The bottom 250 kidnappers were so kind that they even voluntarily offered to give up their jobs just to force management into doing what we did.

Come on people, the pilots that are being furloughed didn't have a choice in the matter. Lines like the one above really cheese me off. Have some respect would you. They are being furloughed INvoluntarily. Yes we did want to break away, It is the best thing we have ever done. For all of you poor saps experiencing the G concourse nightmare in IAD, I'm sorry, I wish you could feel what we feel. Yes we are going to furlough more, Yes this has been know for months now, this is not a knee jerk reaction to save money. This has everything to do with the speed of the pull down of the delta flying. Management knew it, we knew it, but do you honestly think the bottom guys had a say in the matter? Most all should be back in 6-9 months because of the airbus delivery schedule. All will offered jobs elsewhere in the company for the short term if they so desire. It sucks, plain and simple, we don't want to see anyone go, yet we have no choice. Fine, but don't blame those that are about to lose their jobs by some crappy line like you asked for it. It's amazing you DALPA/DCI guys argue and yell and scream day in and day out, you hate eachother so much its funny. But guess what, you asked for it, so quit your B%@#@#$%

 

[FDJ2]

Indy pilot, like you said, you wanted it, now you got it, so quit whining about not being allowed to fly DL code. You don't hear us whining about not being able to fly the Indy Airbuses because of your scope clause. You have a scope clause, which we respect, the least you could do is respect ours. It's all part of being "independent", which is what you say you wanted.