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Independence Air Lender Repossesses a Plane

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17560-2005Feb11.html?sub=new

By Bill Brubaker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 12, 2005; Page E01




The parent of financially troubled Independence Air said late yesterday that a lender had repossessed one of the airline's 73 leased regional jets.

Flyi Inc. said the lender, which it did not identify, filed suit against the low-cost carrier in New York after it failed to make a lease payment due last month, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

This month, Flyi cut about 150 of its 560 daily flights and announced service to five West Coast cities beginning in the spring. (Dennis Brack -- Bloomberg News)

The disclosure by Flyi comes at a critical time for the Dulles-based carrier, which has been struggling to avoid filing for protection from its creditors.​

Rick DeLisi, Flyi's spokesman, said the repossession of the single jet will not affect the airline's schedule of flights, but he declined to comment further. Flyi serves 39 cities out of Dulles with its 50-seat regional jets and 132-seat Airbus A319s.

Last month, Flyi said it agreed with a major creditor, GE Capital Aviation Services Inc., to return as many as 20 of its regional jets in an effort to avert a bankruptcy filing. Flyi said GE Capital also agreed, subject to "a number of conditions," to restructure lease payments on 27 more regional jets and to give the airline a five-year, $19.5 million loan.

One of the conditions was that Flyi make "similar agreements with the lenders and lessors on other aircraft." John Oliver, a spokesman for GE Capital Aviation Services, declined to comment last night.

Flyi has not indicated whether it was able to renegotiate with various creditors $83 million in aircraft lease payments that were due in January. The airline previously said failure to renegotiate the payments could force it to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

On Feb. 1, Flyi eliminated about 150 of its 560 daily flights, mostly in and out of Dulles. The airline announced on Monday it will begin Airbus service to five West Coast cities this spring.

Yesterday, before Flyi disclosed the repossessed aircraft, Robert N. Ashcroft, an analyst for UBS Investment Research, wrote: "While lessors have little incentive to push Flyi into [Chapter] 11, they're not charities either, and it takes only one to lose patience and issue a default notice to start to unravel the situation." He gave Independence Air a 30 percent chance of surviving as a low-cost airline.
 
You guys should grab some electrical tape and start changing the n #'s when these birds are on the ground...

ie: N639BR = N689BR
 
walpaper said:
I've never seen purple electrical tape....

...been to home depot lately?
 
Not to try to deflate the seriousness of FLYi, but here's, quote unquote, the rest of the story:

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]The aircraft in question is owned by one person. He came to repo it and was turned away. Later in the week we decided to give him his aircraft so we found the matched engine and put it in a box next to the aircraft along with the foam soaked old United seats in the aircraft. He came to pick it up and was furious.


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[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]True or not, that's pretty da@# funny. The "soaked" ual seats are because of an incident at the MX hangar.
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What was it they always say, bad publicity is better than no publicity? Right? Someone please tell me I'm right?
 
A friend of mine was involved in an MD88 repo a couple years ago. They flew in, walked up the back stairs, called the fuelers (at the 'owners' expense) and flew away.
 
jrav8tor said:
OK!

So how do you repo a CRJ???

I would love to have this job!

I'll second that. Can't imagine much of a demand for the position though. Wonder where they got the pilots? Maybe a couple of CAL SCABS had the day off.
 
The real question is how do you repo an aircraft that size? Slip the ground/airport crew a 20, and tell em' to "look over there for the next 10 minutes" (??)

Just stand around all non-chaulantly on the ramp, smoking a cigarette, standing up against a pole. Casually walk over to the airplane, whistling, staring up at the stars. Open the door...
 
User997 said:
The real question is how do you repo an aircraft that size? Slip the ground/airport crew a 20, and tell em' to "look over there for the next 10 minutes" (??)

Just stand around all non-chaulantly on the ramp, smoking a cigarette, standing up against a pole. Casually walk over to the airplane, whistling, staring up at the stars. Open the door...


Think we just came up with the plot line for "Ocean's Thirteen"...........
 
Captain Overs said:
Thanks. I guess they aren't in a hurry to repain them.

If you mean the CRJ's SkyWest bought, they are ALL now repainted. SkyWest generic paint scheme.
 
My uncle a number of years ago sat next to a repo man for boeing on a Peidmont Airlines 737. He said it was quite an exciting job. He said most narrow bodies were not a problem to repo. Few times he had the local chasing the airplane as it taxied away usually from an open mx ramp. He said large widebodies were much harder to fly out. Sometimes he would get a crew to simply reposses one of the engines at an outstation.
 
Have you ever seen the Discovery Channel specials on Repo men and women? These people will do whatever it takes to get what they have been paid to get. I don't think these people would have a problem either pushing it back themselves, or paying someone to do it for them. Most likely though, they wait until it is parked away from a gate and snatch it then. Half the job of the Repo man is to find out the best time to get what they need to get.
 
If you're not on an airline ramp, getting a plane repoed is pretty easy. Call up the FBO and say "hey, I'm with blah blah plane, please have it fueled and ready to go for a xxx departure." They'd never be the wiser. Heck, I saw an LJ36 get repoed the other day. Kinda funny, because my boss actually wanted to hide the plane from the repo man. Her boss overruled her and told her to get the plane ready.
 
Seems to be happening more often now. Saab recently repo'ed on of C8's Sf340's in BNA while it was going thru heavy ck.

Crazy.
 
Maybe somebody will repo their Airbuses before somebody gets hurt. Heard a story that one of their buses departing Orlando the other day ended up levelling off at 200'agl after takeoff because the pilots apparently forgot to dial in the initial assigned altitude into the mcp before departure. It was left at 200' and after V1,rotate,positive rate,gearup,autopilot on, the thing captured altitude at 200 feet. They stayed at 200 feet for almost 20 miles unable to figure out what was going on. Since they were so low, the gpws gear warning sounded and they decided that they'd better also lower the landing gear too during their low level excursion. Hmmm.
 
Wasted said:
Maybe somebody will repo their Airbuses before somebody gets hurt. Heard a story that one of their buses departing Orlando the other day ended up levelling off at 200'agl after takeoff because the pilots apparently forgot to dial in the initial assigned altitude into the mcp before departure. It was left at 200' and after V1,rotate,positive rate,gearup,autopilot on, the thing captured altitude at 200 feet. They stayed at 200 feet for almost 20 miles unable to figure out what was going on. Since they were so low, the gpws gear warning sounded and they decided that they'd better also lower the landing gear too during their low level excursion. Hmmm.

Did you hear that from your friend's uncles's best friend's stockbroker who also happens to be a private pilot?

(Or did you just make it up?)
 
200' FOR 20 MILES? i gotta call B.S. on that story!
 
Wasted said:
Maybe somebody will repo their Airbuses before somebody gets hurt. Heard a story that one of their buses departing Orlando the other day ended up levelling off at 200'agl after takeoff because the pilots apparently forgot to dial in the initial assigned altitude into the mcp before departure. It was left at 200' and after V1,rotate,positive rate,gearup,autopilot on, the thing captured altitude at 200 feet. They stayed at 200 feet for almost 20 miles unable to figure out what was going on. Since they were so low, the gpws gear warning sounded and they decided that they'd better also lower the landing gear too during their low level excursion. Hmmm.

Oh please........Can't you come up with a better fake story than that?
 
the autopilot disconnect is a great thing...but then again who takes off and arms the autopilot below 200' anyway. calling the bluff...
 

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