Sniper@YourFeet
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What is industry Average for a NB in the US? This is:
The Average
2 year FO: 67.78
12 year FO: 99.01
2 year CA: 124.45
12 year CA: 152.88
Monthly guarantee: 69.81 hours
Retirement:
A Plan: .75%
B Plan: 3.3%
401K Match: 1.93%
Profit Sharing: Yes
Here’s industry average (this includes every operator of 737-3’s [or lowest paying NB equipment if no 733] from airlinepilotpay.com): AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, US, Air Tran, Alaska, Aloha, ATA, HP, Frontier, Hawaiian, Independence, jB, Midwest, WN, Spirit, SunCountry, ABX Air, Astar, Express.net, Evergreen, FedEx, KittyHawk, UPS, Allegiant, Transmeridian
2 year FO: 1897.8/ 28 = $67.78
72, 60, 114, 88, 55, 69, 56, 91, 63, 63, 60, 62, 67, 58, 59.8, 56, 80, 50, 50, 87, 78, 60, 49, 96, 81, 76, 42, 49
12 year FO: 2772.36/28 = $99.01
106, 108, 158, 130, 100, 104, 79, 139, 100, 94, 88, 94, 104, 74, 84.36, 97, 118, 64, 80, 127, 114, 78, 70, 127, 100, 127, 47, 61
2 year CA: 3484.67/28 = $124.45
144, 144, 214, 177, 133, 138, 102, 185, 140, 127, 119, 116, 146, 116, 120.67, 87, 159, 50, 74, 150, 134, 92, 65, 160, 112, 132, 67, 81
12 year CA: 4280.56/28 = $152.88
156, 158, 231, 191, 147, 152, 153, 197, 148, 145, 134, 156, 148, 132, 134.56, 144, 179, 123, 123, 195, 185, 121, 108, 172, 146, 190, 100, 112
monthly Guarantee: 1885/27 = 69.81
61, 72, 65, 66, 65, 72, 70, 75, 80, 75, 78, 75, 75, 70, 70, 77, 72, 70, 65, 64, 60, 65, 74, 43, 81, 75, 70
A-plan: 21/28 = .75%
1.25, 1.9, 2, 2, 1.35, 0, 0, 1.9, 1.8, 0, 0, 0, 2.4, 0, 0, 1.4, 0, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 2, 0, 1, 0, 0
B-Plan: 92.5/28= 3.3%
11, 0, 0, 0, 9, 0, 10.5, 3, 7, 6, 7, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0, 0, 0, 12, 0, 0, 6, 0, 11, 0, 0
401K match: 54.15/28 = 1.93
0, .75, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3.6, 3, 5, 0, 4, 3, 0, 7.3, 8, 1.5, 6, 0, 0, 4, X, 5, 0, 0, 0
profit sharing: 50% have it
y, n, n, y, y, n, n, y, y, y, n, y, y, y, y, y, y, n, y, y, n, n, n, n, n, n, n, n
notes:
- used average of retirement if % was based on years of service
- jB figures based upon 81 hours/ month (average time of lines in Nov 2003)
2nd year FO: ((56*70) + ((56*1.5)11)/81 = 59.80
12th year FO: ((79*70) + ((79*1.5)11)/81 = 84.36
2nd year CA: ((113*70) + ((113*1.5)11)/81 = 120.67
12th year CA: ((126*70) + ((126*1.5)11)/81 = 134.56
- WN, Transmeridian, and Frontier figures using conversion rate supplied by website
- FedEx 401K rate is $500/year and not included in average
- Monthly guarantee is missing one figure (I screwed up and didn’t write it down)
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Anyone who maintains they make industry average or better and doesn't meet this average (I can think of a recent airline that went 'independent', for instance) is simply misinformed.
This took me about 2 hours to compile and I didn't include higher rates for 737NG's and what have you at CO and AA. I would guess with regression analysis and the elimination of statistical outliers, this rate would in fact increase (you lose Delta, but you also lose Allegiant and what have you). I encourage others to verify my results. Though they may not be 100% accurate, they've got to be pretty close.
This info should be made available to all negotiating teams by ALPA, including non-ALPA carriers - we're all brothers in the end, right?
The Average
2 year FO: 67.78
12 year FO: 99.01
2 year CA: 124.45
12 year CA: 152.88
Monthly guarantee: 69.81 hours
Retirement:
A Plan: .75%
B Plan: 3.3%
401K Match: 1.93%
Profit Sharing: Yes
Here’s industry average (this includes every operator of 737-3’s [or lowest paying NB equipment if no 733] from airlinepilotpay.com): AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, US, Air Tran, Alaska, Aloha, ATA, HP, Frontier, Hawaiian, Independence, jB, Midwest, WN, Spirit, SunCountry, ABX Air, Astar, Express.net, Evergreen, FedEx, KittyHawk, UPS, Allegiant, Transmeridian
2 year FO: 1897.8/ 28 = $67.78
72, 60, 114, 88, 55, 69, 56, 91, 63, 63, 60, 62, 67, 58, 59.8, 56, 80, 50, 50, 87, 78, 60, 49, 96, 81, 76, 42, 49
12 year FO: 2772.36/28 = $99.01
106, 108, 158, 130, 100, 104, 79, 139, 100, 94, 88, 94, 104, 74, 84.36, 97, 118, 64, 80, 127, 114, 78, 70, 127, 100, 127, 47, 61
2 year CA: 3484.67/28 = $124.45
144, 144, 214, 177, 133, 138, 102, 185, 140, 127, 119, 116, 146, 116, 120.67, 87, 159, 50, 74, 150, 134, 92, 65, 160, 112, 132, 67, 81
12 year CA: 4280.56/28 = $152.88
156, 158, 231, 191, 147, 152, 153, 197, 148, 145, 134, 156, 148, 132, 134.56, 144, 179, 123, 123, 195, 185, 121, 108, 172, 146, 190, 100, 112
monthly Guarantee: 1885/27 = 69.81
61, 72, 65, 66, 65, 72, 70, 75, 80, 75, 78, 75, 75, 70, 70, 77, 72, 70, 65, 64, 60, 65, 74, 43, 81, 75, 70
A-plan: 21/28 = .75%
1.25, 1.9, 2, 2, 1.35, 0, 0, 1.9, 1.8, 0, 0, 0, 2.4, 0, 0, 1.4, 0, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 2, 0, 1, 0, 0
B-Plan: 92.5/28= 3.3%
11, 0, 0, 0, 9, 0, 10.5, 3, 7, 6, 7, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0, 0, 0, 12, 0, 0, 6, 0, 11, 0, 0
401K match: 54.15/28 = 1.93
0, .75, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3.6, 3, 5, 0, 4, 3, 0, 7.3, 8, 1.5, 6, 0, 0, 4, X, 5, 0, 0, 0
profit sharing: 50% have it
y, n, n, y, y, n, n, y, y, y, n, y, y, y, y, y, y, n, y, y, n, n, n, n, n, n, n, n
notes:
- used average of retirement if % was based on years of service
- jB figures based upon 81 hours/ month (average time of lines in Nov 2003)
2nd year FO: ((56*70) + ((56*1.5)11)/81 = 59.80
12th year FO: ((79*70) + ((79*1.5)11)/81 = 84.36
2nd year CA: ((113*70) + ((113*1.5)11)/81 = 120.67
12th year CA: ((126*70) + ((126*1.5)11)/81 = 134.56
- WN, Transmeridian, and Frontier figures using conversion rate supplied by website
- FedEx 401K rate is $500/year and not included in average
- Monthly guarantee is missing one figure (I screwed up and didn’t write it down)
---------
Anyone who maintains they make industry average or better and doesn't meet this average (I can think of a recent airline that went 'independent', for instance) is simply misinformed.
This took me about 2 hours to compile and I didn't include higher rates for 737NG's and what have you at CO and AA. I would guess with regression analysis and the elimination of statistical outliers, this rate would in fact increase (you lose Delta, but you also lose Allegiant and what have you). I encourage others to verify my results. Though they may not be 100% accurate, they've got to be pretty close.
This info should be made available to all negotiating teams by ALPA, including non-ALPA carriers - we're all brothers in the end, right?
