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SERENITY NOW!!!
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AdlerDriver said:As one who has been in combat overseas, I think I'm allowed to weigh in. It's not possible to "support" troops and oppose the war (i.e. the whole reason they're there and need to be supported in the first place). Go ahead and and oppose the war if you want - it's certainly your right to do so. Don't think you're fooling any of the troops by turning around and saying you "support" them. They don't want hollow words of support designed to make you feel better.
How is it you're actually supporting them? Have you made a special trip to an airport with food or something to thank them when they return. Have you mailed letters telling them how much you appreciate their efforts and the sacrifices of their families. How about volunteering at a day-care center on a military base - give the kids missing a parent some extra love while they miss their mom or dad. Do you pray for them? (really pray).
You don't support the war so you don't believe in what they're doing. The daily efforts they make are a mistake our government directed them to make in your eyes.
Believe me, the idiot standing on a street corner, safe and sound in the USA, with a war protest sign over his shoulder telling the camera he supports the troops is fooling no one but himself.
Skyboy & Snakum & aeronautic1:
I think AdlerDriver explained pretty well why you can't really support the troops but not the war. It's a fuzzy bullsh1t position that gives people a nice cop-out for not supporting the war.
Your typical anti-war liberal or conservative "supports" the troops by not wishing them any ill will. That's not really supporting the troops, now is it? No, support is wishing them success over their foes. Now, how is this different from supporting their cause? This whole business of supporting troops but not the cause is just mincing words.
Thus, since supporting the troops is essentially supporting the war (and even if you don't agree with this from a pedantic point of view, from a conventional point of view, the two are identical), supporting the troops is NOT something an airline crew should mention in the cabin. How would you like it if someone stood up and started deriding the war, or praising Kerry, or waving an Iranian flag on board? Well, it's the same thing. People don't want your political opinions forced on them when they are not solicited. I think we can all agree that a cramped cabin is the last place people should be discussing politics, right?
Also, Snakum, I don't see how explaining the two sides of the debate over the war is even relevant here. We're talking about whether it was 1) inappropriate to support the troops and 2) inappropriate to question the military captain regarding the legitimacy of the war. Obviously, I think both actions were totally uncalled for coming from representatives of a business.
To address your points regarding why we should support the troops:
"An all volunteer armed forces deserves all of our respect and gratitude for the sacrifice that they, and their families, have encumbered upon themselves for the safety and security of this country"
Right there, that's up for debate. That position is 100% political. I'm not even going to get into all the assumptions you're making when stating that. That's not to say you're wrong, but it is a highly political statement which has no place coming from an airline.
"The troops are doing what they are being commanded to do, whether they agree wih it or not. And whether we agree with it or not, they still deserve our appeciation for doing the job they have been commanded to do and for doing it well. Its a matter of thanking them for a job well done....whether or not one agrees with the principles of that job is irrelevant."
I don't see the logic in this statement. Why on earth would you thank someone for doing something you don't agree with? "Thanks for nothing?" Again, this is a completely political position. Also, I don't see how the fact that they are commanded makes any difference, because in actuality, they are all volunteers.
Don't get me wrong .. I've no problem with the military and have no position regarding the validity of the war. My point is that supporting the troops is a political position. Once a draft starts, the picture changes, because you basically have guys who are dying who don't want to be there. Then supporting the troops no longer becomes political.
By the way, if you're in the military and do not support the war, what the f*ck are you doing there? Your duty is to obey your commander in chief no matter what. Politics simply cloud the waters and should have no place in your thought process regarding war.