Impersonating Certificate Airman

[twabudman]

is there any reg that it is illegal to imersonate a Certificate Airman.
a Crew Scheduler claimed he was a Dispatcher to illegally obtain a jumpseat.
Dispatcher reported this person and was fired. Any regs u thank of will help.
thanks

 

[Andy Neill]

This reference does not apply to the impropriety of impersonating an airman specifically, but it does establish that the crew scheduler did not meet the criteria for being authorized admission to the flight deck: 121.547 a and b.


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=26610b4dbc73f0979148867d3823c38c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.4.19.20.11.11&idno=14

65.20 is much more applicable to the false certificate:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?type=simple;c=ecfr;cc=ecfr;sid=26610b4dbc73f0979148867d3823c38c;region=DIV1;q1=dispatcher;rgn=div8;view=text;idno=14;node=14%3A2.0.1.1.4.1.1.12

 

[pilotman2105]

is there any reg that it is illegal to imersonate a Certificate Airman.
a Crew Scheduler claimed he was a Dispatcher to illegally obtain a jumpseat.
Dispatcher reported this person and was fired. Any regs u thank of will help.
thanks

You have a nice list of qualifications there. I think that you're fairly familiar with the Federal Air Regulations. Why don't YOU look it up and report back to us?

 

[TonyC]

You have a nice list of qualifications there. I think that you're fairly familiar with the Federal Air Regulations. Why don't YOU look it up and report back to us?

Did somebody pollute your Wheaties this morning?



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[rvsm410]

Good!

Dispatchers have gone through enough headaches to keep the few bennies we have, the cockpit jumpseat is recognized as a pilot earned benefit that is extended to those "qualified" by there licenses and jobs to be there under certain conditions.

This bozo scheduler should have been fired, and even charged By the FAA...I say Good that he/she was fired, these kind of incidents make it bad for us all and cause a ripple effect to bring on more regulations on us.....

 

[twabudman]

nah.....ready for this.....the crew scheduler is still working.....

the Dispatcher got fired!!!!!

I advised her to get legal assistance.....or atleast tell the FAA/TSA under the Whistle Blower Protection.......

 

[Erlanger]

I wouldn't be worried about some FAA reg as I would be about state or federal laws here. I remember once that someone did that and was prosecuted for it. They were prosecuted on the basis that, one cannot use "deceit, fraud or deceptive means to obtain a service or product."

 

[rvsm410]

What???

nah.....ready for this.....the crew scheduler is still working.....

the Dispatcher got fired!!!!!

I advised her to get legal assistance.....or atleast tell the FAA/TSA under the Whistle Blower Protection.......

Then there is more to this story that has not been told. Did the dispatcher tell the scheduler to do this? and what license did the scheduler show the crew when asking to cockpit J/S?

Looks like we need more information on this story, but in my opinion the scheduler should be fired for sure, this is an adult that had to know they were breaking the REGS when they did it...JMHO

 

[twabudman]

the kid didnt have a License....the gates agents didnt ask......Labor day weekend so I guess the agents were swamped at the gate

 

[philo beddoe]

Impersonating a Certificated Airman ?

Anyone who watches me fly might suggest that I am guilty of that.

 

[pilotman2105]

Impersonating a Certificated Airman ?

Anyone who watches me fly might suggest that I am guilty of that.

The guy that I flew with today is most likely guilty of that, too.

Pardon me while I go and drink away that experience.

Gin and tonic anyone?

 

[lawfly]

A person acting as a dispatcher would be in violation of FAR 65.51 if that person did not have a Dispatcher license/certificate. Was the offender acting as a dispatcher? E.g., Signing dispatch documents, etc. Did he/she "exercise responsibility with the pilot in command in the operational control of a flight"? (65.51) Did everyone know who the flight's real dispatcher was and was that person's identity reflected in the paperwork? Just looking at presumably the 65.51 analysis.
And, yes, as the originator apparently already knows, a dispatcher is considered an "airman". Part 65 relates to "Airmen Other Than Flight Crewmembers" and includes air traffic control tower operators, dispatchers.

 

[A Squared]

Did he/she "exercise responsibility with the pilot in command in the operational control of a flight"? (65.51) Did everyone know who the flight's real dispatcher was and was that person's identity reflected in the paperwork? Just looking at presumably the 65.51 analysis.

No, as I understand it, the person claimed to be a dispatcher in order to get a jumpseat. He wasn't signing flight releases or anything like that.

 

[lawfly]

I was just approaching "impersonation" from a different direction. As in that movie I never saw ("Catch Me If You Can", I think it was called.) But, yeah, the post seems to limit the impersonation to obtaining jumpseat access, not actually dispatching flights. Seems a security-related issue. TSA? FAA? And internal airline policy/procedure. I don't know much about jumpseat privileges. (Except that I don't have any?) Would like to know if anything more comes of this particular incident. As to any of the persons involved.

 

[twabudman]

the Dispatcher has started the ball rolling......she contacted the FAA via Whistleblower Act/TSA/OSHA....will keep you posted as to developments

 

[lawfly]

Impersonating a Certificate Airman

Don't know what a dispatcher's duties are regarding jumpseaters. Whether she had some responsibility for identifying/screening the jumpseater. Anyway, she should consider a legal consult. Is there a union? They might be able to refer her to someone. Not saying there is any basis for legal action--I don't know. There might be. I've done a little airline-related employment law, but nothing like this. So, not suggesting myself.