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Precisely my point, Av8nstyle!

And yes... I was poking fun... all in fun. Thus the smile, buddy, and wuv comment.

...But hey... I'm just one of those military Air Force pilots who grew up in a harsh pilot's environment, where you took criticism, dealt criticism, developed a thick skin because of it... and knew it all made you a better stick in the long run.

I've seen plenty of civillian cargo boys and girls who are just as tough... I have several of them right in my FedEx training class. My hats off to them. But quigs "buddy" ... you may need to toughen up your skin just a bit... especially before you go talkin' smack about my brathas and sistas out there in military land again.

"Wuv"...

Kav

PS... Go back and look at your first two posts as well. Perhaps you may want to spend a little less time on here posting smack and use it wisely in English 101. ;-)

All constructive criticism dealt out to you via the traditional military love way!
 
Kav,

I bet you would make a better school teacher than pilot. You could tell all the little boys and girls how wonderful you are and how you are the upper echelon of society. You could also get to wear a dress.

Good luck smuck....



P.S- Is it true that you were always the last one out of the showers?
 
You got to be kidding me.

Your ego is too fragile for me to give you an honest answer. I know you have no ejection seat. If you did I am sure you would have pulled the handle a long time ago. Get another issue. This one isn't worth it. I would put my students up against you and they would make the approach everytime while you hold or ask for advice from the controller.
 
Ltr of Rec

Hey Quigs,

Maybe you should give KAV you name and ssn, so he can write a letter for you! Heh heh!
 
quigs,

you seem to be the only one with your "shallow" point of view. All the other replys must be nuts. And from all of us military folk..............YOUR Welcome............sleep tight tonight, and eat well tomorrow after all we and our forefathers earned it for you. Its too bad sometimes that we can't pick the people we'd like to defend. I assure you you wouldn't make the cut.

Adios,
Smiling Down from FL410 (Quigs you been there?, oh yeah I forgot 1700 hours TT, what was I thinking, youve done it all already)

Regards,
 
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Moosetrax,

Yes I have been there and done that. Also the last time I checked there wasn't a draft in progress, so I believe the wrod your looking for is "choice". No my dad is not a senator or congressman, so really I can't just get daddy to call over and get me a flight slot. You see, I have already accepted the fact that I wrote a stupid post, that was purely out of ignorance of the subject, however, I apologized! You other few though, have chose to keep adding your silly comments, but hey this is a forum and thats what it is for, right? Just don't let the chip on the ole' shoulder get in the way of your normal everyday function bucko.
 
...that was not smart

No my dad is not a senator or congressman, so really I can't just get daddy to call over and get me a flight slot.
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Nor was my daddy, or mommy, or anyone else in my family for that matter. I did a little thing called Earn it. I am sure that is what a good chunk of military pilots did. Oh, and by the way, do you really think a senator is gonna sponsor just any dumb@ss that wants to fly fighters? The guys that do have poltical sponsors actually do for the most part earn them.

I have already accepted the fact that I wrote a stupid post
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Well, you did it again!
 
Benhuntn,

Do you teach your students to be arrogant like yourself? Is that part of your training package. Benhuntn-"OK guys watch how I intercept this localizer". Approach- "Benhuntn, that is the VOR approach you're on sir!" Approach controller- " dude don't you know who that is? it is the one and only Benhuntn and his righteous students." Well then he must know he is on the VOR instead of the localizer, I mean he is Benhuntn and he does know everything, including peoples whole life history based on one post.
 
quigs,

do you teach your students to be as arrogant as you. You certainly do have some nerve. If your such a hot shot then why don't you give your info so we can get some rec letters drawn up for you at various companies? I didn't have anyone in my family who was in the military. I earned everything I have today. But once again you go spouting off about something you know very little about. Even the civilian freight guys would like to hang you for representing them in such a poor manner. Why don't you make the choice if you think flying military is so easy to do. Go to your local university and join the ROTC program and compete like 99.9% of the military guys out there.
 
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Some more highlight quotes:

From Gulfstream 200 to quigs:

you know what it sounds like to the rest of us? sounds like you are an idiot
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From the master himself -- quigs:
I had no idea about some of the stuff that goes on, and frankly I spoke out of ignorance.
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You could also get to wear a dress.
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Whoa quigs, keep your dress wearing comments to yourself

Again the master:
I wrote a stupid post, that was purely out of ignorance of the subject
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quigs,

Look here "bucko", (used in your post to me) no one has ever bad mouthed freight dogs. Military pilots know how hard you work to earn your dollar and I can appreciate your enthusiasm for aviation. Just have a little professional respect for those deployed in defense of the principles that make this country as great as it is so we can continue to do the flying we love. No hard feelings.
Regards,
 
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Ok to all I have offended by writing this post, please accept my apologies. I have to agree with most of the posters here on a lot of issues and can't really continue to argue. First, Im not going to insult anyone else who is truly putting there life on the line. I respect anyone who would fight for our freedom. I never intended this post to get this much out of hand and regret writing it. Once again, no hard feelings.
 
Enough?

Hey Everybody,

I believe quigs apologized a long time ago for speaking out of turn. We've all learned from it.
 
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I have flown with both mil and civ pilots. I have to say that there are a fair share of idiots on both sides of the fence.
 
This whole thread reminds me of 2 sayings:

A closed mouth gathers no feet.

And,

It is better to keep your mouth shut and look ignorant, than to open it an remove all doubt.

:D :D
 
A wise man said....

"Nothing" is very often the best thing to do,

And almost always the best thing to say.
 
Let this thread die

Please let this thread die a quick death!!

No reason to piss on each others shoes, there are good and bad pilots everywhere......."Can't we all just get along"
 
these views are not......

Let it be known that the above mentioned opinions of quigs are not neccesarily(sp?) the views, beliefs, or opinions of the general freight dog community, its members, or any portion thereof. (trying to sound like FAR/AIM)

Anyway, you guys defending our country have my deepest respect. After watching an F-18 take off from LIT the other day, and after wiping the drool off my chin and wringing out the towel, I was reminded anew what you guys are made of. Thanks.

As for an above mentioned post, " it is just a BAD job so you can get a GOOD job. Well, thats all in your opinion. Of course I would much rather fly a jet and newer FMS/EFIS equiped airplanes. But for now, I'm at least making about 35k I have EVERY weekend and holliday off, I see my wife and daughter EVERY night and I WILL NOT be furloughed. I'll keep saving my money though, so I can take the 50% paycut at a regional. I am aiming for the long haul with hopefully Comair, ASA, Skywest or Airwis because I know the captain slot will be worth the low pay, crap schedules, etc. for the first few years. Until then, I kinda like being an overpaid 210 pilot ( I'm finally next for the Baron, yaahhhoooooooooo) at my "BAD" job!!!

Jeff
 
Freight a bad job? not all of em.

My current job in freight salaries out at about what you're getting, 35,000 a year for second year pay. 27 a day in perdiem. Medical and dental. 30 cents on the dollar towards the 401K up to ten percent. Plus no holidays or weekends and a killer schedule to boot. 10-15.5 hour, duty days a month. Yea count em, 10. The schedule for the run I have been on for the last two years has been Monday, Wednesday, Friday on one week and Tuesday, Thursday the next week. Pull out a calendar and you can look 6 months into the future and plan on being somewhere on a day off and know it. All of my duty days start and end at my base airport, unless I get wx'd out. The duty day includes about 4 hours of flying, 6-7 hour daytime layover at a nice hotel. Another 1.5 hour layover, then off to home. We don't touch the freight. Just the paper work. It is a long day, it starts at 05:45 in the morning and ends at 21:00 in the evening.

I usually get a 5 day weekend when the holidays fall right and in the worst case scenario, I just wind up with a 3 days off, 1 day on, 3 days off, 1 day on, 3 days off...then back to the normal rotation. Our top pay is currently limited to 55K. So it's not glamorous like flying at a National, where the company is mortgaged to the hilt and a 3 cent a gallon increase in fuel is going to bring the place down like a house of cards...but then again not everybody was born to have a secure flying job and be home every night and all weekends. No pagers or cell phones are required or necessary where I work either. We don't do on call freight...and since it's all scheduled I can't be assigned duty the next day anyway.

Yea...someday they will find a way to screw me into one of the 5 day a week jobs we got, but by then the hiring will have picked up again and I'll have an excuse to add the ATP rating and move out to a good fractional or national. But till then, I'm staying right here.

good luck and best wishes to all pilots out there...and hey, what the hell started this thread anyway?
 
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and hey, what the hell started this thread anyway?
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Like sands through the hourglass...
 
ignorance is bliss

Flown with military guys, flown with guys who
had to get a GED because they dropped out of
high school. Some were good, some were bad,
but they all were fun at the debrief sessions!!
 
UPS Capt said:
Folks, I wouldn't get too worked up over the original poster's remarks.

Those of us that have "been there, done that" eventually come to discover that no one sector of aviation has a monopoly on good and/or bad pilots. I want to fly with a good pilot and I personally don't care what his/her background is as long as they can get the job done and does it safely.

I'm sure the AF folks had valid reasons to flight plan the way they did and it was probably dictated by procedures and protocol unlike that of the civilian world.
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That is a fact....

I've flown with crapy civil and militry pilots... fighter jocks and freight dogs...

some of us were born to fly and some of us weren't..... we (speaking in general terms) just have a lot of friends and connections.;)
 

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