Igi

[bozz66]

Hey ya'll,

Just passed my CFII ride yesterday. Woooohoooo! Got a question about the IGI though. I took the IGI at the same time I took the the CFII knowledge test. Yesterday I gave the IGI test results to my examiner, and he really didn't know what to do with it. Do I need to fill out a 8710 form and send it to my FSDO with my test results? If so, what do I need to check on the form? Additional Instructor Rating? Or just Ground Instructor?

Thanks much for any help.

 

[tarp]

Here you go - try this:

http://www2.faa.gov/avr/afs/faa/8700/8700_vol2/2_159_00.pdf

If you do not have ANY ground instructor certificate at this time, then this is a request for an original Ground Instructor Certificate.

Take your test results and your current certificates to the FSDO (or mail-send copies of certificates) with a completed 8710. (Flight hours don't apply, so you can leave blank although some of the pencil pushers like to see totals - these could just come right off the Instrument 8710 you just did!) The only reason for your current certificates is so they can spell your name and address correctly and so they can type it up.

The nice thing about Ground Instructor certificates is that you never have to give them up. By the way, beyond the IGI is the AGI which includes both the BGI and the IGI (Basic and Instrument). I got my Basic first, then added the IGI making me a AGI.

You will have three certificates in your wallet. Commercial Pilot, Flight Instructor (I'm assuming SE Land and Instrument) and Ground Instructor - Instrument.

 

[bozz66]

Thanks Tarp!

I think you answered all the other questions I was going to ask in just one sentence!

Back in 1994 I took the BGI written but for some reason I just forgot to activate it. Oh well.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[dmspilot00]

By the way, beyond the IGI is the AGI which includes both the BGI and the IGI (Basic and Instrument). I got my Basic first, then added the IGI making me a AGI.

Please note you can't do this anymore. If you want an AGI, you have to take the AGI test. You can no longer combine the BGI and IGI to get an AGI. The fact that you used to be able to combine them was a mistake. The AGI covers commercial+ material, IGI instrument only, BGI private only, so logically it doesn't make sense that you would be allowed to teach commercial material with only your instrument and private-level knowledge having been tested. Just wanted to let bozz know.

Also I took one of the GI tests (and FOI) and called my FSDO and they wouldn't let me mail it. The closest FSDO is 80 miles away. I still haven't done it and I took the tests like a year ago. They said they needed me to present identification.

P.S. Along the same lines of what I said earlier, if you take the AGI, you still need the IGI to teach instrument.

 

[Flymach2]

P.S. Along the same lines of what I said earlier, if you take the AGI, you still need the IGI to teach instrument.

Hi...

The above quote from the previous post in incorrect. Although some 141 schools require their Ground Instructors to hold an IGI in addition to the AGI, there is no requirement for that Instructor to do so.

61.125(b) A person who holds an Advanced Ground Instructor rating is authorized to provide;

(1) Ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of any certificate or rating issued under this part;

Regards

 

[dmspilot00]

The above quote from the previous post in incorrect. Although some 141 schools require their Ground Instructors to hold an IGI in addition to the AGI, there is no requirement for that Instructor to to do so.

Kind of. Not exactly. Keep reading.

(b) A person who holds an advanced ground instrcutor rating is authorized to provide:

(3) A recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of any certificate under this part.

Notice it doesn't say "rating." So only an IGI can sign off a student to take the instrument written. I said that you needed an IGI just to teach instrument, and thanks to Flymach2 for pointing out that this is not exactly correct.

 

[avbug]

DMS pilot is correct. The AGI is not swallowed up in the IGI...the AGI doesn't give provision for the privileges of the instrument ground instructor certificate. If one wants to endorse for instrument training, one needs the IGI or CFII.

 

[Flymach2]

Hi...

I concur....there is no provision for the AGI to endorse a candidate for an Instrument Rating Knowledge Test.

It does seem a bit strange, however, that the AGI can provide the Ground Training for the rating, but when it's time for the test, the candidate must seek out another means for a test recommendation.

Nevertheless, I've recently read on the FAA FAQ's that there is a NPRM to clarify and separate Instrument Ground Training altogether from the AGI, requiring the Ground Instructor to hold an IGI or a CFII to give ground training to an Instrument Candidate.

Regards