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WASHINGTON - Airlines that operate chronically delayed flights could face stiff fines in the coming weeks as the U.S. government concludes a six-month investigation into potentially deceptive business practices.
The Transportation Department in May began investigating flights that are at least 15 minutes late more than 70 percent of the time, and so far has identified 26 that meet those criteria, an agency spokesman said Tuesday.
If any of those 26 flights also were delayed in the most recent quarter being reviewed, the responsible airlines will face "significant financial penalties," agency spokesman Brian Turmail said. Results of the investigation are expected within weeks.ad_dap('250','300','&PG=NBCMSB&AP=1089');
The commercial airlines trade group criticized the government's possible penalties.
"We're disappointed that they're taking this course of action given the effort by industry to significantly reduce delays," said David Castelveter, spokesman for the Air Transport Association.
"No one has greater incentive to move its flights on-time than the airlines," Castelveter said, because they cost the industry $6 billion per year and it means "we fail our customers." But the answer is not eliminating flights from the chronically delayed list, which are there based on customer demand, he added.
The Federal Aviation Administration handles roughly 85,000 flights per day, a number predicted to reach more than 111,000 daily flights by 2020.
But delays this summer reached record levels. The Transportation Department earlier this month said more than 25 percent of domestic flights arrived late between January and August — easily the industry's worst performance since comparable data began being collected in 1995.
In August alone, 23 flights were late at least 90 percent of the time and more than 100 flights were late at least 80 percent of the time. Almost half of Atlantic Southeast Airlines' flights were delayed, and two arrived late every time they took off.
Kristen Loughman, a spokeswoman for the Delta Connection carrier owned by SkyWest Inc., said the company was not aware of any fines being considered by the government. Any Atlantic Southeast flight on the Transportation Department's monthly report of delays becomes its top priority to fix, she added.
Other airlines that operated flights that were late at least 90 percent of the time in August were: ExpressJet Holdings Inc., which flies regional service for Continental Airlines Inc.; SkyWest Inc.; AirTran Holdings Inc.; Delta Air Lines Inc. and its subsidiary Comair Inc.
Also Tuesday, federal aviation regulators opened a two-day summit aimed at fixing "epidemic" delays at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.
The latest government proposal for reducing congestion at JFK, which had the worst on-time departure record of any major U.S. airport through August, is to reduce the hourly flight limit by 20 percent.
Transportation Secretary Mary Peters repeated the government's desire for airlines to voluntarily change their summer 2008 flight schedules in order to alleviate record delays at JFK and other airports, but also reiterated that schedule reduction mandates remain an option.
Peters said she has "high hopes for market-based incentives," including raising landing fees for airlines during peak periods, to help reduce record delays at JFK and elsewhere.
But airlines say that so-called "congestion pricing" approach would simply result in higher fares and pledged to challenge mandates for it, or mandated schedule cuts, in court or legislatively.
Other recommendations for reducing airline delays are due by Dec. 10 from an aviation rules committee made up of airline executives, government officials and aviation groups. The scheduling summit is being carried out in parallel to that process and FAA officials expect a series of one-on-one meetings with airlines to continue through early December.
 
So when ATC wont allow us to leave for a ground stop, or when the plane your swapping into is leaving philly in the middle of the f'in winter and is delayed the airline is the one who is punished...seems a little ridiculous to me, not to mention isn't atc under the jurisdiction of the GOV?
 
Now we're going to see 4-hour block times on a BOS-LGA flight, "just in case." :rolleyes:

Hey, that is when block or better comes in handy...nothing like doing two legs a day bc we cant legally be scheduled for over 8 hrs.:rolleyes:



Last trip I did PHL-LGA the majic box said 23mins.....it was blocked at 2hr 20 min!!
 
It suspect it won't happen at carriers with some sort of contract, but you just know that some management type somewhere is trying to come up with a way to 'share the responsibility' on this with the pilots of that airline.

"Welll, Captain, it says here that your flight departed late three times this month, we'll simply have to reduce your guarantee by the amount of time that you were late..."
 
Can we start fining road construction workers for delaying our drive to work with their projects that have lasted 4 yrs. That is a continuous delay if I have ever seen one?
 
You lost premium pay in this TA? That would be an automatic NO for me.

It was traded for a daily minimum and duty rigs, which should be worth much more than a few minutes of underblock premium. We still keep block or better pay, which is the same thing unless you fly under guarantee. In that case, those rigs will add more to your pay.

Automatic yes for me.
 
It was traded for a daily minimum and duty rigs, which should be worth much more than a few minutes of underblock premium. We still keep block or better pay, which is the same thing unless you fly under guarantee. In that case, those rigs will add more to your pay.

Automatic yes for me.

Unless of course, you like you fly naps, or are on reserve. Especially reserve. Then you get less.

And I have news for you. If you think underblock pay ("premium") only amounts to a few minutes, you haven't been under block in a while. When under block, I AVERAGE 10 hours of premium a month.
 
Remember, reserve days have a min day value now, from how I understand. So....If you fly 15 days now for 70 hrs block (about what I have been ave.) you get 75 hrs of pay credit for the month. In the new contract, you would get your 70 hrs, plus 18.75 for the min day value on the 5 other reserve days that you did not get used. That is 88.75 hrs of pay credit, which from my experience is WAAAAY more than I get in premium each month.

PS. , don't be so dam condescending in your posts. Your opinions and info are valid and relevant, just don't condescend. "I have news for you". I work here too, nearly as long as you, and I am well aware of how much premium adds to my paycheck.
 
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WTF is the gov/t thinking with this!!

Talk about a serious safety issue, no no no we have to go with that engine running hot/shaking/low oil pressure/inst. problems/etc etc etc. other wise we pay a fine!

What retard is coming up with this crap?
 
PS. , don't be so dam condescending in your posts. Your opinions and info are valid and relevant, just don't condescend. "I have news for you". I work here too, nearly as long as you, and I am well aware of how much premium adds to my paycheck.

PS, don't be so sensitive. I would characterize your post as fairly condescending too, but I have pretty thick skin, and I really don't care what you think of me.

The "I have news for you" was meant in that I thought it really was news, because you didn't seem to know that, even though you attempted to speak up for all of us in professing that premium is worthless. It was not meant to be condescending. I'm always so misunderstood.
 
I don't think anybody knows the magnitude of the fines yet, but once we do then airlines will just factor them into the cost of the flight and choose to cancel it sooner.

Doesn't actually HELP passengers (the the DOT purports to represent), it just means more cancelled flights and more passengers trying to go standby on the next over-booked flight that may get cancelled too.

If flights were chronically late by 18 minutes then fixing the block time would fix it, but frankly customers could give a rats rear end. The problem is the 3 hour delayed flights and, in the end, do you want to get to your destination 3 hours late or maybe days late due to over-booking on the next 5 flights you try to go on?

This is the government doing everything it can to avoid actually fixing the problem.
 

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