If you are going to PM me and say I 'hosed' you out of a job.....

[HawkerF/O]

because I posted it here and that caused them to get a bunch of resumes from people more qualified than you and that hosed you out of the job then you should man up and at least have the ball$ to call me and discuss it when I ask you to. It's not my fault a company in a place where you want to live/work posts a job. I just pass it along, so others have an opprotunity to apply as well, so take that up with the company that posts the job, and not me. Had you just PM'd me when you saw the job somewhere else, you could have told me privately that you had a good line on the job and to please not post the job if I came across it. Instead, you took a gamble and did not do that. I am not an ASShole, so had you just done that, I would have been more than happy not post the job. Instead, you blame me for you not getting the job simply because I posted it here. I am not going to apoligize for doing that.

What's a guy to do? I'm just trying to look out for the good guys on here that want good work. I am not looking for a job, I'm content with what I am doing, but I know of some great resources for finding good fortune 200 jobs, and I like to pass them along to help a fella out, as I might need help one day and hopefully someone will be in a position to extend me the same courtesy. I never in my wildest dreams thought I would be hurting anyone by posting decent jobs in hopes of having one of you guys get that job.

 

[LegacyDriver]

HEY HAWKER YOU TOOL!!!


YOU HOSED ME OUT OF A JOB WITH VALERO! THANKS A LOT JACK***!!!!


Oh wait a minute...

If you hadn't posted it I wouldn't have known about it....so....

Uhm....

Hmmm....


I guess that means I hosed *MYSELF* out of it.

Sorry about that.

 

[HawkerF/O]

HEY HAWKER YOU TOOL!!!


YOU HOSED ME OUT OF A JOB WITH VALERO! THANKS A LOT JACK***!!!!


Oh wait a minute...

If you hadn't posted it I wouldn't have known about it....so....

Uhm....

Hmmm....


I guess that means I hosed *MYSELF* out of it.

Sorry about that.

Legacy, you're a hall of famer in my book, so I will apoligize to you. Sorry about that, my bad. I don't care what G200 says about you, you're alright.

As for Valero, they just posted that same job again last week (http://valero.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=1349477)

They are also looking for a scheduler and an A&P.

 

[Flywrite]

Well we all know how much "who you know" matters in tis business, but I sure as hell dont want to work with someone who feels they are "hosed out of a job" just because there are other applicants. He sounds like a real competitive applicant.

If he did get "hosed out of a job" I'd say Hawker FO did the company a great service by helping increase their applicant pool beyond this tool!

Keep it up Hawker FO, what comes around goes around, those you help will gladly reciprocate someday!

 

[HawkerF/O]

Had he just had the courtesy to call instead of saying he didn't feel comfortable (I told him how to block his # from the Called ID), I would have "kept it between us", but I am not going to post his name, but he knows who he is.

"I recently had a good shot at one because I am a local, qualified guy but I believe part of the reason I lost it was because you posted it on here and subsequently "they recieved an unusual amount of applicants." I do believe everyone should have a shot at jobs but this was a part 91 gig that I had a good line on. This particular department doesnt usually "advertise" openings, but because it hit the net here they had tons of applicants.

Lets just say it wasnt in one of the most popular parts of the country, but its where my family is and where I am trying to return. I know for a fact (even though most dont want to live there and the person they hire probably wont stay because of location) that people more qualified than I applied just because of pay and equipment and most likely would certainly not enjoy the location. Therefore, I probably lost the job to someone who wont even make a career there like I would have.

So I kind of feel that you hosed me out of a job Im not angry per say, and I hesitated on telling you...but I needed it out of my system lol. Id appreciate it if you kept this between the two of us though.

Happy posting."

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Just keep posting, many guys seem to appreciate it.

As far as helping good guys get "good work"...I dont know...most decent jobs are had word of mouth. 90% of the posted jobs are crap,copied from other sites... and the other 10% are filled or close to. Most places have a pool of candidates before HR posts the ad.

But if you feel good posting them, go for it. People dont have to read them if they choose not to!

My advice to job-seekers: post your location, qualification, ratings, and EXACTLY what you are looking for. be specific. If anyone does this and qualifies for gigs around me I PM them and give them info. Dont be vague, dont be "regional guy facing furlough looking to change career for corp job in Midwest"....duh.....good luck.

and as far as getting worked up over a PM from an obvious idiot, thats what "delete" is for....

just curious...if you "hear" about a job (not on the web) do you type it up and post it here without the companies permission, or do you just surf and repost existing ads?

 

[h25b]

My advice to job-seekers: post your location, qualification, ratings, and EXACTLY what you are looking for. be specific. If anyone does this and qualifies for gigs around me I PM them and give them info. Dont be vague, dont be "regional guy facing furlough looking to change career for corp job in Midwest"....duh.....

O.K. man, here goes...

Tall, balding, 30 something, white-male, non-smoker seeks full-time long term position operating long range corporate aircraft both domestically and internationally. I appreciate the finer things such as: BBQ, both import/domestic beer, travel to exotic destinations (I'm getting sick of TEB, Florida, & various Carribean destinations), & Marriott Rewards...



So what do you think you can do for me ???

 

[Gulfstream 200]

O.K. man, here goes...

Tall, balding, 30 something, white-male, non-smoker seeks full-time long term position operating long range corporate aircraft both domestically and internationally. I appreciate the finer things such as: BBQ, both import/domestic beer, travel to exotic destinations (I'm getting sick of TEB, Florida, & various Carribean destinations), & Marriott Rewards...



So what do you think you can do for me ???

Sorry man, questionable taste -- Marriotts $uck and what you got against smokers?
No job info for you.

 

[h25b]

and what you got against smokers?

Nothing, other than I'm still trying to get over the black lung I developed in college...

 

[Gumby]

Sorry man, questionable taste -- Marriotts $uck and what you got against smokers?
No job info for you.

Hey G200, Don't you EVER work? Maybe I can get you gig "dwelling" like others I know! Nothing like punching it in the dark, while dwelling!! It's almost time we heard from the King of the Punchers!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Nothing, other than I'm still trying to get over the black lung I developed in college...

ahh yes, back in the days of staying out until 6am drinking, smoking and womenizing.

cant say I do any of the 3 anymore. Kinda sad.


:crying:

 

[CapnVegetto]

Thanks for posting the stuff Hawker. Keep it up. To anyone giving him grief about it......

$*^#**$&#^*&#^$(*&#$(*&(*&Q#$(*&$(*&Q#$(& YOU.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Sorry man, questionable taste -- Marriotts $uck and what you got against smokers?
No job info for you.

Hey G200, Don't you EVER work? Maybe I can get you gig "dwelling" like others I know! Nothing like punching it in the dark, while dwelling!! It's almost time we heard from the King of the Punchers!

I dont even want to THINK about what you are doing back there. scary.

In fact yes, I gotta work later this week - and Im not too happy about it. Its been bothering me for days...

Yeah, where is Ricey boy? Let me guess...he's gonna come back from 4 or so days basking in the sun with an unlimited expense account...away from phones and computer....and bitch about it!!!

typical pilot.

 

[CarjCapt]

Posting Jobs

Post away most will appreciate your efforts. So if you have more post'em please, especially in the AUS and SAT areas.

By the way I talked to the Chief Pilot at Valero and he requested my resume(I'm local). A few days later his hiring committee sent me a very nice "you are highly quailified however.....".

 

[HawkerF/O]

As far as helping good guys get "good work"...I dont know...most decent jobs are had word of mouth. 90% of the posted jobs are crap,copied from other sites... and the other 10% are filled or close to.

An example of a "crap" job I have posted would be?

Most places have a pool of candidates before HR posts the ad.

I'm not too sure about that. I believe that companies are starting to get away from that. Do the pilot's at Valero not know anyone to put in their internal pool? I've have seen less of that then more in the past couple of years. People say that all the time, but I have seen in the past 2 years guys getting picked up by answering a job posts more than knowing someone. Obviously, it does not hurt to know someone, but I do not think it is an "in" like it was 5-10 years ago to know someone. From the instances that I have seen, corporations are starting to move away from that and placing more of an imphasis on HR's input. To clairify, the smaller flight departments seem to be able to not post and hire from word of mouth, but the larger companies, especially ones with that do any type of business with Uncle Sam, do not and cannot operate like that. A solid HR department will insist on a post of some sort and everything going through them. Fedex for example just posted for pilots and they have over 10K apps on record. Wanna fly their Global or Lears? Have to go through HR. Example: I was with a friend in September and we went by a Hangar of a decent size company to drop off his resume. The CP was very polite, and spoke with us in detail, but would not accept his resume, explaining that in MUST go through HR in order for it to be considered. HR then looks for "must haves" then gets together with someone from the flight department and narrows the field even more. As for "good work", I guess that all depends on what your definition of "good" is. We all have different opinions. When I say "good", I am thinking:

Stable company
NBAA or higher wages
A schedule that allows for a family life
Well maintained aircraft
Emphasis on Safety
Opprotunity for Advancement

Those are the factors I take into consideration. If you go back and look, the jobs I post seem to have those attributes. Most of the places I do not know personally, but this is a small world, and if some company operates GVs and pays the pilots 30K, does not comply with required MX, or the CEO is rumored to insists the pilots fly in any weather while constantly requiring 14 hour duty days, then you usually hear about it. If I saw an ad from that company, I would not post it. Before the Fracs got their new contracts, I would not call them a good place to work. Would you? Kunta-Kente made more money then some of those F/Os.

just curious...if you "hear" about a job (not on the web) do you type it up and post it here without the companies permission, or do you just surf and repost existing ads?

I think you already know the answer to that. Anyone would be hard pressed to find a job that I posted that does not include a link to the company's site with the specific job. If you do find one that I posted and it does not have a link to their site, then it came from a posting on NBAA from someone in the company's HR department to every single pilot that uses airmail, and that is several thousand. I have not and will not post "word of mouth" jobs. It's not my place, it's not professional, and it could possibly lead to litiagtion, but the bottom line is that if they don't post it, then it is that way for some reason and I am not going to get in the way of that. I might post something along the lines of, "I think The Widgets Corp is looking for someone", but that's as far as it goes and that would only happen if there is already a thread going on about that specific company or region. As for my source of jobs, there is a guy that compiles posted jobs, and I go to his site and post what I weed out. He has asked that the site not be made public due to the fact that it is a small site and he does not want it to get loaded up and crash. I do not know much about the impact on web traffic to a specific site, and I don't question things I don't understand, I'm just grateful for the data, I say thanks and go on about my business.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I agree...there is less direct emphasis on "who you know". It usually gets you an interview, but not the job anymore....(MOST of the time). I have gotten a handful of guys here an interview where I work, but only one got the job. I dont know why.


Just checking on the word of mouth stuff. People may hesitate to share "off the books" info on decent openings if the info somehow winds up on flightinfo.com a week later...


be well.

 

[HawkerF/O]

I agree...there is less direct emphasis on "who you know". It usually gets you an interview, but not the job anymore....(MOST of the time). I have gotten a handful of guys here an interview where I work, but only one got the job. I dont know why.


Just checking on the word of mouth stuff. People may hesitate to share "off the books" info on decent openings if the info somehow winds up on flightinfo.com a week later...


be well.

OK, I see we are on the same page. And you are right on about getting the interview, and I should have made that a point in my previous post, but there you go again, always 1 step ahead of a brotha'! Good on you.

As for the word of mouth thing, once again, great minds think alike. I know of a job that is coming open in Kansas City this summer (it's a done deal, the job will be open and they are going to hire), but I wont talk about it yet because it is not posted and I dont know if they are going to post it or not, but there are a lot of guys here that want to get back to or already live there and would want something more stable flying a great airplane for a very good company. If they saw the job posted here, I am sure the fit would hit the shan, and I don't want to be part of any of that. I'm personally not interested in the job, but would like to see it go to a good guy on here that has paid his dues and needs something better.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Legacy, you're a hall of famer in my book, so I will apoligize to you. Sorry about that, my bad. I don't care what G200 says about you, you're alright.

As for Valero, they just posted that same job again last week (http://valero.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=1349477)

They are also looking for a scheduler and an A&P.

Hahahhaa! Not a problem. No apology necessary. Had you not posted it I wouldn't have known about it to apply.


Valero told me they had three full-time positions open. All I got was a phone interview. I don't know what they are looking for. I am cool to fly with. I know my sh*t. KSAT is home.


Probably someone figured out who I was and my rep screwed me. Way unfair but that's life.


I am looking for any decent pure corporate jobs in Texas or Oklahoma (Kansas would probably be acceptable, too) and anything in a Legacy as long as the pay is good.

4000+ Total.
1100+ PIC Turbine.
Grad Degree.
Hard Worker.
Hot Wife.
Eager to Learn.
Easy to Work With.


Give a guy a chance!!!

 

[h25b]

... but only one got the job. I dont know why..

I find that incredibly hard to believe...

After hiring people that I have recommended my past employers have found that having just one person with a similar disposition as mine is usually for the best.. Any more than that just becomes troublesome. Just ask FurloughedAgain.

 

[HawkerF/O]

Hahahhaa! Not a problem. No apology necessary. Had you not posted it I wouldn't have known about it to apply.


Valero told me they had three full-time positions open. All I got was a phone interview. I don't know what they are looking for. I am cool to fly with. I know my sh*t. KSAT is home.


Probably someone figured out who I was and my rep screwed me. Way unfair but that's life.


I am looking for any decent pure corporate jobs in Texas or Oklahoma (Kansas would probably be acceptable, too) and anything in a Legacy as long as the pay is good.

4000+ Total.
1100+ PIC Turbine.
Grad Degree.
Hard Worker.
Hot Wife.
Eager to Learn.
Easy to Work With.


Give a guy a chance!!!

Why didn't ya say something sooner? I didn't know all that. Ok, here is what I am going to do for you. I'm gonna make a phone call tomorrow and take care of this for ya. Then, to drive the point home, I'm gonna send some of my boys down there for a face2face, just so they know that I mean business. I mean, that's the least I could do for ya. My boys will take the CP out to the back alley until he sees things your way. Before I send them down, let me know how much you want to make, the days you are available to work for the next year (nothing too specific is necessary, you know, something along the lines of Tue-Thurs only, no weekends, 1st right of refusal on-call, etc) what airplane you are willing to show them how to fly, and what title/position you would like, and if you want someone's job, no problem, we'll make that happen. A good beating never hurt anyone. Well, maybe it has, but tough, they are gonna get it.

G200, don't stray too far from the phone, I need you to go to TX in the morning to "handle some business", break them TX boys off a 'lil sump-n sump-n, have them come correct, a beat down: prop-a' like.