If DAL TA gets voted down?

[DrunkIrishman]

If the TA is voted down, what is the next step. Will the arbitrators step in and force something on the pilots and the company, or can they go back to the table? Or will they just call a strike?

 

[General Lee]

If the TA is voted down, what is the next step. Will the arbitrators step in and force something on the pilots and the company, or can they go back to the table? Or will they just call a strike?

Well, it is all speculation, but it could go back to the arbitrators, and they could rule in favor of the company. But, that would be dumb to do, since that would result in the contract being thrown out, and a strike after that, liquidating the company. So, I would think it would lead to more negotiations. Scope is the major issue here, and it was a "no cost" item supposedly. I am voting NO due to the fact that they did not respect our current furloughed pilots.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SSDD]

General,

Is Troy Kane the most junior pilot that is currently working, or is he the most junior furlough?

 

[atlcrashpad]

They'll be back at Square One. I don't know Troy Kane, but I duz know Big Daddy Kane. BOUYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

 

[General Lee]

General,

Is Troy Kane the most junior pilot that is currently working, or is he the most junior furlough?

He is the bottom guy seniority wise at Delta, and he has been furloughed since November of 2001.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[tbkane]

I am the most junior guy on furlough from Delta. 4 1/2 years and counting and counting and counting.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I am the most junior guy on furlough from Delta. 4 1/2 years and counting and counting and counting.

We'll try to get you back Troy...........by voting NO!!!

It's the least this joke of a Union could do before farming out your job to another dues paying member or allowing more greenslips.

Keep the faith, I walked in your shoes!!

Best regards.

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

Well, it is all speculation, but it could go back to the arbitrators, and they could rule in favor of the company. But, that would be dumb to do, since that would result in the contract being thrown out, and a strike after that, liquidating the company. So, I would think it would lead to more negotiations. Scope is the major issue here, and it was a "no cost" item supposedly. I am voting NO due to the fact that they did not respect our current furloughed pilots.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Your kidding me, right dog?

You voted no and jepordized your career for the furloughed guys? It wasn't scope or pay or work rules?

No offense...it may sound great...but I don't believe you. You think the rest is acceptable but not for the furloughed guys. Knowing that this vote could ruin their chance there would be an airline to come back to...I wonder how the furloughed guys would vote on the TA. And if they voted no is it because of the furloughed guys...or because the TA just plane sucks and the airline is just not worth coming back to.

The truth is we can only vote for ourselves and our families.

Peace out.

 

[michael707767]

I am the most junior guy on furlough from Delta. 4 1/2 years and counting and counting and counting.

I agree with Gen Lee. This TA is a screw job for the furloughs. Don't know about the other Delta pilots, but I will not support anything that is not a good deal for all the pilots at Delta.....including Troy.


Voting no.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I am the most junior guy on furlough from Delta. 4 1/2 years and counting and counting and counting.

Bet you never expected to get so much publicity, and for all the wrong reasons.

Good luck to you (and everyone at Delta).

 

[accinelli]

If the TA is voted down, what is the next step. Will the arbitrators step in and force something on the pilots and the company, or can they go back to the table? Or will they just call a strike?

Dream on

 

[C601]

I'm just curious, is it because of this quoted from the TA you will vote no.

"Delete the required recall of all furloughed pilots by August 1, 2008."

Is it saying that if there not back online by 2008, let them go ?

 

[vc10]

Doesn't the Delta vote depend, in part, on the results of the earlier NWA vote? If the NWA guys accept their contract, which appears to be, in some respects, materially worse than the DL contract, then isn't a DL contract approval likely?

On the other hand, if NWA pilots reject, and by the DL voting deadline is over Really Bad Things have not (yet) happened at NWA, then doesn't that increase the chance that the DL guys reject? After all, won't DL guys want to show that they have big gonads too?

To my mind, a key issue is how the NWA guys vote. If they suck it up, then the DL guys probably will too...

 

[atlcrjdriver]

C601 - By removing that requirement the company now has more time beyond 1 August 08 to recall the furloughed crews.

To GL and all the DL nay sayers, before you are so quick to vote no to this TA, take the time to talk to your MEC members and find out how and why they did what they did. After all, many guys are quick to say "My union speaks for me". Well, they did and now you say hell no. Negotiations is full of give and take on both sides. As GL said in a previous post, the company didn't get exactly what they wanted either.

Good Luck
Fly Safe..

 

[Lake Alice]

Please...

The won't vote it down. It will pass by a slim margin and things will go back to normal, or as normal as they were before.

 

[dtfl]

I am the most junior guy on furlough from Delta. 4 1/2 years and counting and counting and counting.

Troy - what do you think about YOUR name being in the TA? Dont you think using your name should get you something!?!?

11/1/2001 furloughed also

 

[dtfl]

I agree with Gen Lee. This TA is a screw job for the furloughs. Don't know about the other Delta pilots, but I will support anything that is not a good deal for all the pilots at Delta.....including Troy.


Voting no.

Well I read other BBS and there are Capts making statements like "Well, some things are not so goo dand others I am pleased with" or.."Yeah the young guys get screwed on scope"..

But for those 2-3 of you who make those snide comments like"Please..oh GOD..and NO WAY WILL THEY VOTE IT DOWN...THEY WILL PASS IT"
We don't need your peanut gallery comments. Join your own partnership why dont you?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Your kidding me, right dog?

You voted no and jepordized your career for the furloughed guys? It wasn't scope or pay or work rules?

No offense...it may sound great...but I don't believe you. You think the rest is acceptable but not for the furloughed guys. Knowing that this vote could ruin their chance there would be an airline to come back to...I wonder how the furloughed guys would vote on the TA. And if they voted no is it because of the furloughed guys...or because the TA just plane sucks and the airline is just not worth coming back to.

The truth is we can only vote for ourselves and our families.

Peace out.

No Randy Jackson, I'm not your Dog, G!!!!

Please Reread the post I put out. I have been furloughed, which makes me a junior recall back from the dead, which gives me a vote now. This joke of a TA includes much more BS that would have been easier to swallow if the leadership at Delta ALPA would just plain stop giving away DELTA flying to non-Delta pilots......in shiny new 70+ (whatever the number) they are still DC-9 sized 90 seat jets for taxi-cab wages. As long as the pilots are ALPA members....it's all good Right DOG??? Do you really think mgmt. is going to shut down Delta because of a no vote??? RIIIIIGHT!!! Just count on executive greed to keep the fires lit over here.....shutting it down means no payouts, stock options or bonuses.

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

No Randy Jackson, I'm not your Dog, G!!!!

Please Reread the post I put out. I have been furloughed, which makes me a junior recall back from the dead, which gives me a vote now. This joke of a TA includes much more BS that would have been easier to swallow if the leadership at Delta ALPA would just plain stop giving away DELTA flying to non-Delta pilots......in shiny new 70+ (whatever the number) they are still DC-9 sized 90 seat jets for taxi-cab wages. As long as the pilots are ALPA members....it's all good Right DOG??? Do you really think mgmt. is going to shut down Delta because of a no vote??? RIIIIIGHT!!! Just count on executive greed to keep the fires lit over here.....shutting it down means no payouts, stock options or bonuses.

Calm down DOG!!!!!!!!

THE GENERAL says he will vote no only because of the furloughed guys I think is BSing everyone. Its OK to vote no because of the other issues but to try and say that he would potentially sacrafice himself for the furloughed guys is hard to believe. Pilots vote for what is good for them. I hope you vote it down to make a statement for all of us. I think it stinks. But thats your business now isn't it.

 

[www.]

They'll be back at Square One. I don't know Troy Kane, but I duz know Big Daddy Kane. BOUYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

Troy Kane is a former ASA Captain.