I think I'm going to puke

[Oldfreightdog]

Title: female pilot


Company: Confidential Product/Service:
Location: New Jersey area Required Travel: None
Job Type: Full-time Employment Type: Permanent


Description:
I am interested in hiring a female pilot based in the the New York-New Jersey area, able to commute to the Westchester County Airport (HPN) where I hangar my Lear 31. Qualifications include multi-engine instrument-rated. As to hours in a Lear, that is irrelevant since we will train her at Flight Safety for a SIC rating. Also include any female pilots willing to relocate.


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[English]

Why are you going to puke?

So this individual prefers a woman up front. Lots of individuals prefer men up front. This person just happened to put it out there in his/her ad.

How's this...

At an interview for a corporate position, a female pilot was one of several "finalists" for a position. The chief pilot/captain said he'd have to talk it over with his wife before he could offer the gal a position. He was afraid his wife would freak out if she knew he was spending long hours with another woman.

A female pilot is offered a position as a captain on a small jet by a charter/management company. But, before any offer is finalized, the director of operations has to check with the aircraft owner to make sure "it's okay to hire a girl".

You wanna puke? I have lots more stories on both sides of the gender issue that might induce...

 

[2000flyer]

You'll always find horror stories like English recounts. I know a company who was looking for an FO on a corporate jet. They felt the most acceptable candidate was a woman who interviewed. It was made perfectly clear both in the ad and during the interview that this was an FO position and that upgrades were based on the usual....job performance, total time, needs at the moment. Within one month of being hired she demanded an upgrade in both seat position and pay. It was explained to her again and she accused the company (Fortune 300) of sexual discrimination and proceeded legal actions. She lost, thankfully, but then sued the next 3-4 companies she interviewed with for not hiring her based on her sex.

This IS the exception to the rule. There are many who abuse the term "discrimination", be they female, male, and whatever race.

Experience #2: I used to run across a company who had a Malibu outfitted with electronic equipment. They would orbit sporting events and use it as a repeater for television / radio broadcasts. I figured this might be a good way to build some time. I was told they only hired female pilots because, get this...the engine isn't run as hard as when a male pilot and makes TBO more often! Needless to say, I didn't apply.

2000Flyer

 

[Oldfreightdog]

Why did you think that I wanted to puke because of a gender issue?

That just made me mildly ill.

As a professional, in this day and age, don't you find this persons (seemingly), total lack of concern about qualifications a tad bit more bothersome?

What really gets me is that this person trivializes all the work, study, time, effort, sacrifices, and professional standards that a pilot might bring to the job as long as that person has 2 x chromosomes.

I really didn't bring this up as a discrimination issue.

Maybe I just read the ad wrong.

 

[English]

No, I understand your comments. I thought it was a little odd to advertise this so blatently as well. It would have struck me as odd if the ad asked for a male pilot as well.

As far as qualifications, no, that didn't seem odd. I didn't sense a total lack of concern over qualifications. The writer of the ad requested a multiengine, commercial-qualified candidate. That doesn't seem odd at all, as that is all that's required to go to school on the Lear as an SIC. I didn't have any Citation time when I was first hired as an SIC on the Citation. This is apparently an entry-level position as an SIC. No need for prior Lear experience or Space Shuttle landings.

 

[bobbysamd]

Anti-Tailhook job

I didn't care to see this from either viewpoint. On the one hand, you could argue that at least this outfit is being up front. It is telling men not to apply, for whatever reason. So, guys, don't waste your time and effort sending resumes to this place.

This ad may not really be a good-faith effort to recruit a woman. Maybe it is only gathering woman pilots resumes to inflate its files for EEOC purposes. It will say it reviewed every resume, none of the applicants were the right match for its requirements, and will quietly hire a guy. Or else, the place intends to shut the door against men outright. They might think that is affirmative action. But, my friends, it is gender-biased discrimination.

Everyone, male, female, whatever, young and old, merits equal consideration based on qualifications and experience only. Go read Section I of the 14th Amendment. No, I never liked at all how United hired 300-hour wonders over those with blatantly better credentials.

 

[Freightdog75]

I line up right next to ya and puke.

 

[labbats]

Sounds like it entails sitting next to a mouth breather and *cringe* having to do overnights. If I were female, there's no way I'd apply for this.

 

[flywithruss]

I found this a bit interesting myself. I was hired about a year and a half ago as a co-captain on a one airplane, two pilot corporate flight department. The CP has been with the company about 18 years and has been through about half a dozen second pilots in that time. He'll tell you pretty readily that the best he ever had a was a woman who stayed a few years before moving on to better things ... she's with SWA now. Well, one day over dinner on a layover, the boss says, "You have my wife to thank for having this job. There was a woman I would have hired about a month before you applied, but my wife told me I was not allowed to hire a woman." (He met and married his current wife after the earlier female pilot had left his employ.)

This kind of stuff happens all the time. I know there isn't a single male airline pilot whose non-aviation wife or girlfriend hasn't given him the lecture about canoodling with FAs on layovers.

For some reason there are those who believe that hotel rooms in distant cities removes a person's moral compass and/or any modicum of self-control. Sometimes true, often not.

R

 

[Fokkerflyer]

Kinda strikes me as weird this guy is specifically looking for a female pilot. He seems to be the owner, makes you wonder what his motivation is...

 

[Indigo]

Discrimination?

makes you wonder what his motivation is...

Make me wonder too...

Someone SPECIFICALLY asking for a female pilot definitely raises some question marks in my mind, and not because of the reverse discrimination issue!

 

[FearlessFreep]

Hey Oldfreight dog,

If you were a woman would you apply for this job?

"Here little girl, I'll let you fly my airplane if you..."

I can think of only one thing about this advertisement - yuck!

The only place the interview or check of qualifications is going to take place is on the perverbial "casting couch". If somebody has to advertise in a "job listing" to get a date they must be pretty sleazy.

It's surprising that hair color, weight, age, and measurements were not stated in the requirements.

Call me callous, or pessimistic but I think that just preferring the social company of women in the "Cockpit" is not what is going on here.


Take Care & Good Luck To Us All!

 

[Timebuilder]

I didn't read the whole thread, however, even when you are seeking to hire under affirmative action guidelines for gender and racial minorities, you cannot legally post a job offer in this manner. It must be directed to "pilots", and then, after interviews, you may hire to meet the guidelines that are in place. This is like putting out a sign that says "negro pilot wanted". Before you know it, you'd see "white male pilots only need apply".

This is why affirmative action takes us backwards to a process of enforced inequality, instead of moving us forward to a process of hiring on the basis of ability.

 

[bobbysamd]

Affirmative Action

[T]his is like putting out a sign that says "negro pilot wanted". Before you know it, you'd see "white male pilots only need apply".

This is why affirmative action takes us backwards to a process of enforced inequality, instead of moving us forward to a process of hiring on the basis of ability.

Thank you, Mr. Time. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Everyone deserves a fair and equal shake. Meaning that some people are not more equal than others.

 

[siucavflight]

If i had my own business jet i would want a female pilot sitting in the airplane with me.
Sitting right on my face.

 

[Timebuilder]

Hmmm.

I suppose this might constitute a view limiting device, so you could log those approaches for currency.

 

[eddie]

It could be a lesbian conspiracy.

 

[empenage]

This thread just ended on the NBAA web mail.

They wanted a female pilot because the owner wanted the pilot to share a condo at their most frequent destination with a female employee that works for the company.

 

[Timebuilder]

The reason makes sense, but I have to wonder this: if it was a position that placed a MALE pilot at a condo with another male pilot, would this job posting, now looking for a male pilot, be legal? No, it would not. The comapny would be sued by a young female pilot who would cry "discrimination!"

This is my problem with these people: equality is NEVER the goal. Only a specific kind of inequality is what they want.

 

[FlyingFarmer]

Right On!

Timebuilder.....

Couldn't'a'said'it'better'myself!!!!!!!!!!!!
If ANY ad like this would have said male pilot.....
ACLU would have them locked up!!

It's ok to discriminate against
crackers, mens, and christians,
but everyone else? No way---

The ad is disgusting-

A guy should reply to this, then when he's not hired,
"sew" the p1sh out of them.......................

not to mention the pain and suffering-
ohhh, the agony......gotta' be worth several mill
at least----

Now somebody pass me one of them Saltines-
I'm callin' my scumbag... I mean Lawyer-

FF