How's the Atmosphere/mood at UAL

[delivery100]

"and your unions for obtaining unrealistic contracts....."

Those contracts would not be unrealistic if it were not like people like you determined to do the same job for much less....

 

[Mr.B]

And furthermore.....he's the type who will come crying to these unrealistic unions when its time for a raise, to right a wrong, or whatever.

 

[Ty Webb]

Newsflash . . . . . there are limits to all possible things, and the last contract that the UAL pilots got would have required the company to have an 86% load factor even at those lofty late 1990's yields.

You can keep blaming the pilots of other airlines for your problems . . . but don't bother trying to sell it to me, pal, save it for your buddies over at Home Depot, who don't know any better. I am sure they think you're really smart.


Mr. B:

The agreement has to be one that both parties can live with. Having the best contract in the industry doesn't mean squat when your company goes under, as many have found.

 

[bpapaDC8]

"Fifty years after its foundation in struggle, sacrifice and tragedy, the airline pilots of America, although not quite back to square one, are still facing the fundamental questions their forebears faced in 1931. Can they stand up and fight the good fight, always keeping in mind that justice and virtue do not always prevail, and that `God,' as Napoleon put it, `is on the side of the big battalions'? Are modern airline pilots made of the same stuff as the men who created ALPA during the era of the wooden wings? History is waiting for its answer."

The final paragraphs of Flying the Line By George E. Hopkins


Judging from some of the statements I've read on this thread alone, I think the answer to the question is obvious.

bpapa

 

[Prof. Joe Vee]

Ty?? Ask for a pay-raise?

No--he'd ask to undercut the industry to keep his job.

The Union couldn't put a backbone in him if it tried.

 

[Extra300S]

Hey Ty, Why did Mommy fly on UAL and not Airtran?


I guess it's true when they say "Mom's know best"


Sorry about her bag being lost, actually I saw it on a walk around and tossed it into a lav truck.


Have a nice day!

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, maybe you ought to ask Mom about her opinion of United. Having been an executive in the Chicago area for many years, she could tell you firsthand why "United" is a dirty word around her office . . .

Sorry about her bag being lost, actually I saw it on a walk around and tossed it into a lav truck.

See, this would be funny, if it wasn;t just so sad. You guys really have no idea how much you are loathed by your best customers, and my Mother is a prime example. You guys really have no clue, and you are about to find out the hard way.

Anyway, you kids have fun. This thread has been entertaining, but in the end, we have to live with our decisions. I am fine with mine. Hope you are with yours . . . . and that you have a "plan b" other than insulting your fellow pilots on a message board, which isn;t going to pay you squat.

 

[Prof. Joe Vee]

You guys really have no idea how much you are loathed by your best customers, and my Mother is a prime example.

That isn't what she said when she rode on me.

 

[Extra300S]

Ty is a UAL "Wannabe"

Plain and simple

 

[Ty Webb]

You kids have fun.

 

[T-Gates]

T-gates, or T-bags, or whatever you are calling yourself now...

I'm T-Gates.... T-Bags is a different person....

 

[NZCHooverboy]

Best Wishes

I hate to see anyone out of work. The UAL folks were, in good and bad times, most hospitable to me as an ATA jumpseater. They, like the rest of us, swing on the same threads weaved by managements. In the meantime, when it comes down to manning up our aircraft, our jobs are all the same. The comaraderie comes (or should come) from this fact.

 

[propjockey]

Company financial statements

I'm responding to comments about UAL "losing money" way back on the first page. Before I go on, let me state that I have NOT looked at UAL's financials in quite some time, so I'm NOT talking specifics.

Before I took my vow of poverty and became a regional airline pilot, I got an MBA with a finance major and worked in the corporate world. Here is what I learned through both formal education and practical experience:

Accounting is not like balancing your checkbook. The rules of accounting make it very complex, and you can do lots of creative things (completely legally) that you cannot do in private financial affairs. Balance sheets and income statements (especially the balance sheet) are historical documents. With depreciations, write-offs, etc, etc, you have to take what you see on them with a big grain of salt and understand what they're really telling you.

If you want to know how a company is really doing, you must look at the CASH FLOW STATEMENT. It is the "here and now," and doesn't allow for much creative accounting. Net losses on the income statement are not always meaningful. It may be accounting smoke-and-mirrors. If the cash flow statement is positive, the company is making money, regardless of what the income statement says.