How the mainline pilots look at "regionals".

JoeMerchant

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot [URL="http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif"]http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif[/URL]
Bar; did a little bit, but in a nut shell there is not enough credit out there to get some airlines though the winter months. I see a few airlines shrinking to survive.

You want guys that are going to fix the problems, IMHO you need guys that are going to listen to you, listen to multiple options and make an informed decision. There is one way to fix a lot of our ills and that is with UNITY. With unity comes the fact that to solve this the group needs to better educate itself, and come up with a idea (s) that work for all of us. Single source ideas often never pass the error check.

As for CPS. There may be some real genius in keeping them off the property. I hate to say it, but I see it. It has to do with all of the other DCI carriers needed to be in the bottom two of cost. Well, CPS is the cheapest, so it only leave one other that is in compliance at the five year mark.



For those of you who know acl65pilot, he is a former ASA pilot who now works at Delta. Whether or not you agree with him, he does have his ear to the rail at Delta....He isn't the first one to express this view.

During the RJDC lawsuit, the USAir MEC admitted that it helped pit the USAir Express carriers against one another to help lower the costs of the Express operation....Many at the mainline level believe that this helps them by freeing up more money for the mainline to bargain with...

1. How does this foster "unity" within ALPA?
2. How does this downward pressure on the bottom end hurt the mainline rates at the lower end?
3. How does this downward pressure on the bottom end hurt mainline jobs and job security?
4. Does this promote a "what's in it for me" attitude?
5. How does this jive with the union mantra of "we are all in this together"?
 

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As much as I'd like to be on the bottom of the Delta list, I think if it weren't for the fact that we (Compass) are a separate airline that DAL/NW would have furloughed a year ago.

The financial disincentive of the flowback seems to have kept the mainline guys at mainline and the Compass guys at Compass for now.

As for the whipsawing aspect of what he implies... we've seen where that has gotten us already.

I'm curious to see what ACL's response to your post is.
 

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During the RJDC lawsuit, the USAir MEC admitted that it helped pit the USAir Express carriers against one another to help lower the costs of the Express operation....
About 6 months ago, we at PDT got a letter from our new MEC chair stating that ALPA had not been representing our best interests over the last few years, but now that USAPA was in place we could expect all that to change.. :puke:
 

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I would be a lot more worried about what Republic is getting away with-were I ACL.... There is nothing to stop them from buying a place like AirTran, furloughing all their pilots, then paying their pilots crap wages to compete against DAL-right in their backyard.

-Of course, RJs are the root of all evil-so mgmt. will just make sure ACL and buds recognize no other threats.
 

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Really?? Really??

I would be a lot more worried about what Republic is getting away with-were I ACL.... There is nothing to stop them from buying a place like AirTran, furloughing all their pilots, then paying their pilots crap wages to compete against DAL-right in their backyard.

-Of course, RJs are the root of all evil-so mgmt. will just make sure ACL and buds recognize no other threats.
There is nothing stopping RAH from buying Airtran???? I mean, picking up a 40 airplane operation on financial ropes is the same as buying a profitable airline and "firing all of it's pilots" to pay replacements crap wages (as you put it).
I would say there are a few dents in your Airline Management strategy, but of course you spew so much hate towards one company (DAL) that I think it has blinded you to reality.
Of course anything is possible, but firing all of AAI's pilots just to tear up their contract may be hard to accomplish. Only the Midwest pilots have been willing to work as a seperate entity came in and fired half of their pilots, I think most pilot groups, even the senior ones, would see through that tactic pretty quickly.
Don't worry crj, RAH will be competing with DAL on the ATL/DEN flight at least, and if he wants to establish ATL as RAH's next hub, well he has at least one flight to start with.
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I love these guys like ACL, who were regional pukes like most of us and is now with Mother Delta and think they're Holier than Thou.
He wants the RJ's gone, but come the day he is furloughed, he'll want back in the RJ as fast as possible if it's to save his own azz.
ACL should know that these RJ's could have been on mainlines property, but about 15 yrs ago, it was the mainline guys who wanted nothing to do with those little RJ's....Now it's bitten them in the azz and they want a piece of the pie.
 

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As for CPS. There may be some real genius in keeping them off the property. I hate to say it, but I see it. It has to do with all of the other DCI carriers needed to be in the bottom two of cost. Well, CPS is the cheapest, so it only leave one other that is in compliance at the five year mark.



I think ACL sees this from a "management" point of view here. He likes to switch hats every once and awhile, and that is what he is doing here. That is why people enjoy reading his posts, he can do that and allow people to see something at different angles. Joe Merchant cannot do this. He is so angry about his "lot in life", that he has to spew his venom to everyone. He isn't or wasn't willing to climb the ladder like everyone else, and wanted to keep his 4 weeks of vacation in Myrtle Beach each Summer, while wishing larger planes at ASA, which would have been worse for our industry. ACL has been fair with his responses, and wants regional pilots to move UP, rather than Lawson/Ford/Joe Merchant wanting legacy pilots to move down. Joe and CRJ567 are miserable people who won't ever be satisfied until everyone is unhappy. That is too bad, but RJ economics aren't what they used to be---and ACL can see that, and so can Joe Merchant, which makes him scared.


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During the RJDC lawsuit, the USAir MEC admitted that it helped pit the USAir Express carriers against one another to help lower the costs of the Express operation....Many at the mainline level believe that this helps them by freeing up more money for the mainline to bargain with...
Also, during the rjdc lawsuit, the CMR MEC stated the following sworn statments: (now don't let a little thing like the truth get in the way of your ignorance);)


"Based on my experience as Comair MEC Chair and my oversight as a member of ALPA’s Executive Council, ALPA does not discriminate against pilots at smaller carriers or Comair in particular."

"It has been my observation and experience that all ALPA pilot groups, regardless of size or the type of aircraft that they fly, receive the full support of the Association whenever they need it."

"Because Delta’s plans for DCI consistently called for growth, in the
immediate aftermath of the events of September 11, 2001, no Comair pilots were furloughed, while more than 1,500 Delta pilots were furloughed. Although a relatively small number of Comair pilots were furloughed shortly after Delta and Comair filed for bankruptcy in 2005, no Comair or ASA pilots are currently furloughed today, while Delta pilots remain on furlough.
Delta pilots did lose a significant portion of their flying after the events of September 11, but Comair and ASA pilots did not. Instead, Comair and ASA pilots received upgrade and advancement opportunities as new and larger (70-seat) small jet aircraft were introduced to their fleets by Delta during this period."

"No one from my MEC expressed the view that I should take Captain Ford’s concerns to the Executive Council or any other higher ALPA governing body, nor did I believe such steps should be taken. I held that view because the scope provisions that were negotiated did not take away our work (rather, they allowed Delta to continue to grow its DCI operations) and that the provisions were successively liberalized over time."

"Additionally, I viewed the provisions as striking a balance between the interests of the Delta pilots (in securing their work) and pilots at Delta Connection carriers in continuing to experience growth and better work opportunities. In each and every case concerning the correspondence identified above, I believed that Captain Woerth was handling these issues correctly, and that he properly responded to Captain Ford. To my knowledge, no one serving on the Executive Council expressed any views to the contrary."

"At the conclusion of the most recent round of bargaining between Delta
and its pilots which resulted in LOA 51, I received a letter in my capacity as Comair MEC Chair from Captain Ford dated May 8, 2006, the day before the start of a planned MEC meeting. In that letter, addressed to the Comair MEC, Captain Ford enclosed a letter he had written several days earlier to President Woerth, which asserted that LOA 51 violated ALPA’s Constitution, By-Laws and policies. This letter also submitted a proposed MEC resolution requesting that our MEC seek a formal hearing of Captain Ford’s complaints about LOA 51 before the Executive Council. True and correct copies of this letter and proposed resolution are attached as Exhibit 1 hereto. After review and discussion by our MEC, none of the elected representatives supported Captain Ford’s position."


We all know that spin and lies are what the rjdc is all about.
Now back to your regularly scheduled

:crying: :crying: :crying:
 

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This quote was taken fully out of context.

He was speculating on how people would justify it, not his personal viewpoints.

Durka durr...
 
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