How much money is Virgin losing anyway?

[Pogue Mahone]

That's not what I just heard from one of your senior check airman. He said system wide loads are still in the toilet.

Heard it from a "senior Check Airman" did you? It is nice to have solid inside intel like that. If you hear anything else, be sure to let us know. I only get to talk to junior check airman and they don't get the same inside scoop. I am glad we have guys here on FI that talk to "senior check airman" They mustget their info from Ips, maybe on occasion assistant chief pilots.

This stuff cracks me up.

 

[chperplt]

Heard it from a "senior Check Airman" did you? It is nice to have solid inside intel like that. If you hear anything else, be sure to let us know. I only get to talk to junior check airman and they don't get the same inside scoop. I am glad we have guys here on FI that talk to "senior check airman" They mustget their info from Ips, maybe on occasion assistant chief pilots.

This stuff cracks me up.

Hey jerkoff... I never said what I heard was fact.. I simply said that's what I heard. I've also talked to a number of gate agents that support your Vegas flights and they said the Vegas loads suck too. I put the two together and figured it was correct. But heck, why would they know... they only board and deplane your aircraft daily.

I know it sucks when people talk smack about your company. A few weeks ago my company was reported to be about to furlough by an FI expert. I may not have a clue just like the other guy... For your sake, I hope not.

 

[skiandsurf]

If my idea of success was making $16000 a year working 10 weeks on 4 weeks off in India as an A320 CA, yes.. if it's to work in the US for a reasonable wage.. no.. I really don't want to go overseas.. some love it, but having flown over seas, I'm sure it's not for me.


I've interviewed with a couple of places, have an interview with Emirates and EVA set up, but to be honest the only one I really want to work for is VA.. I just love the start up culture and the smallish nature of that phase.. plus, I really think they've got a good future because unlike the people behind SX, they're trying to build an airline, not an IPO!

I too could have gone to India or Kazikstan, but I chose a safer route. At least one of my former co-workers that went there got divorced within the first 3 months. Talking to a friend at Emirates, he likes it. He and his wife moved over there, and they seem happy. They do come back to the states twice a year.

As far as flying for another start-up.....havent you learned. While you were in CMH, you should have talked to the folks at Netjets. Now that you are looking in the Bay Area, go talk to XOJet.

Good luck to you, but drink the kool-aid with caution.

 

[HA25]

I too could have gone to India or Kazikstan, but I chose a safer route. At least one of my former co-workers that went there got divorced within the first 3 months. Talking to a friend at Emirates, he likes it. He and his wife moved over there, and they seem happy. They do come back to the states twice a year.

As far as flying for another start-up.....havent you learned. While you were in CMH, you should have talked to the folks at Netjets. Now that you are looking in the Bay Area, go talk to XOJet.

Good luck to you, but drink the kool-aid with caution.

XO is a start up.. and I have lots of friends there, but I did the Citation X FAR 135 thing for 4 years, and it's just not a career for me, it would only be a job.. I just didn't enjoy it.

I love start ups, and the risk is worth it for me... risk after all = return..

thanks for the advise anyway.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Hey jerkoff... I never said what I heard was fact.. I simply said that's what I heard. I've also talked to a number of gate agents that support your Vegas flights and they said the Vegas loads suck too. I put the two together and figured it was correct. But heck, why would they know... they only board and deplane your aircraft daily.

I know it sucks when people talk smack about your company. A few weeks ago my company was reported to be about to furlough by an FI expert. I may not have a clue just like the other guy... For your sake, I hope not.

Sensitive. You are the one who actually wrote " I heard it from a "senior check airman". I'm sure you have been around long enough to see the humor in your own statement.

I don't care what you heard, nor do I doubt the validity of the statement regardless of who said it. I was poking fun at at the decision to quote your source as "a senior check airman".

I found it amusing. Sorry that hurt feeling and even more sorry that you can't find the lighter side of these boards as entertaining as I do.

Hugs.

Pogue

 

[Mooseflyer]

If my idea of success was making $16000 a year working 10 weeks on 4 weeks off in India as an A320 CA, yes..

I'm assuming (hoping) you forgot a zero in the above figure.

 

[HA25]

I'm assuming (hoping) you forgot a zero in the above figure.

that is per month, with housing and airlines to and from the US included..

 

[chperplt]

Sensitive. You are the one who actually wrote " I heard it from a "senior check airman". I'm sure you have been around long enough to see the humor in your own statement.

I don't care what you heard, nor do I doubt the validity of the statement regardless of who said it. I was poking fun at at the decision to quote your source as "a senior check airman".

I found it amusing. Sorry that hurt feeling and even more sorry that you can't find the lighter side of these boards as entertaining as I do.

Hugs.

Pogue

Sure.. The difference between a "senior" check airman and a not so senior check airman is 2 or 3 days..

The points are still valid.

 

[maxpayrollcruz]

Sure.. The difference between a "senior" check airman and a not so senior check airman is 2 or 3 days..

The points are still valid.

Nicely put sir.

 

[icebird757]

Involving Luftansa and Jetblue...I don't think we gave up any control...the have just a 19% cut and one seat on the board...

They don't call the shots...but i'm sure there are/were some terms agreed on.

I see it as a good thing. LH has made a lot of money over the years and the have a great global network.

 

[Moustache]

And now we are running in the 80% during the week and high 90's on weekends.

Then you will be around forever!!!! end of discussion!!!

 

[mvedepo]

Then you will be around forever!!!! end of discussion!!!

This thread has been dead for a week. I think the discussion HAD ended.

 

[pilotss]

It is simple, americans to not care about lights, sweet F/A's and glitter..(well not the ones paying 116.00 SFO-JFK.) They will pay the cheapest fares.

Especially when their company is paying for the ticket and the traveler can assume ownership of the air miles.

Its the top end too.

 

[flyipilot]

I love start ups, and the risk is worth it for me... risk after all = return.. /quote]

Well, I read this and had to respond. Almost every start up has failed since deregulation. Only America West, Value Jet (AirTran), and a very few small airlines have succeeded and even they have huge problems. Going with a start up airline does not equate to and equal return for the huge risk at stake. This is proven fact in this industry. You must be fun in Vegas! There is a sucker born every min as they say and sometimes it is best to take the safe route. The chance of VA surviving more than 5 years is tiny. The money they are flushing down the toilet everyday is insane and they like ALL airlines are bleeding to death in this current economy. If that seems like a fun risk for you..then go for it! But, the loads can be 100% and the yields can be strong.....they will still lose money. If they raise fares to cover the real costs today, they lose load factor and that equates to yield. So, until the price of fuel drops OR a few more airlines close the doors, it will never change. VA may be fun, sexy, and the cool way to fly today but, money always talks in this country and people dont care what the service is as long as it is cheap.

VA has a huge uphill battle and their costs are high as they continue to grow. I would be nervous working there but, I would take it day by day and enjoy it while it lasts. History is 98% against them.

 

[spinproof]

Sounds like a Indy guy that wasn't offered a job!

 

[Moustache]

This thread has been dead for a week. I think the discussion HAD ended.

Apparently not meatball!!!!

 

[Fubijaakr]

I'd listen to flyiguy.

 

[AA717driver]

Sounds like a Indy guy that wasn't offered a job!

No, it sounds like logic. The only thing that will get ANY airline through this fuel/currency/economic crisis is CASH. No amount of hard work or cheap labor will overcome the crushing cost of fuel.

I've been a supporter of VA and, because I have friends at AirTran, JB and F9, I've been pulling for the LCC's to succeed. But I don't have a whole lot of hope these days.

Unless something drastic changes, I'm afraid the days of "air travel for the masses" will come to an end.TC

 

[Wheres the van?]

I dont think the LCCs are necessarily done.Most of the legacy carriers have been to BK once and some twice they have cut away as much fat as possible and emerged from BK with business plans based on $60 a barrel.There is no where left for them to turn with increasingly older almost defunct fleets,costs cut to the bone (reflected in there service) and an almost fairytale impression that merging will fix the problem.

You may recall only recently CO had the opportunity to merge with UA.CO took one look at UAs books and ran for there lives.

The legacies will not emerge from this new reality in one piece there no longer is the BK panacea.

 

[Colonel Savage]

The legacies will not emerge from this new reality in one piece there no longer is the BK panacea.

Is there a limitation to how many times a company can declare BK over a 10 year period?

 

[9rj9]

Is there a limitation to how many times a company can declare BK over a 10 year period?

Nope, no limit. However it makes it harder to convince the next suckers to invest in the new airline. I think Delta really pulled one over on their investors, USAir was ready to pay 13 million, Delta just recently devalued themselves to around 7 million.
Those investors lost half, doubt they will be back for the next chin-dig.

I think Branson will pick up and leave when he figures that Americans are cheap and will not pay one red cent more for anything. They will connect through atlanta to save 10 dollars but have no problem pony'n up for a 5$ latte and 10 dollar sandwich made by a no hand washing minimum wage bum.

 

[chperplt]

Is there a limitation to how many times a company can declare BK over a 10 year period?

I'm pretty sure the only requirements under the new law is to wait 180 days from the date of discharge, before being able to file under the same chapter again.

 

[johnboy99]

Nope, no limit. However it makes it harder to convince the next suckers to invest in the new airline. I think Delta really pulled one over on their investors, USAir was ready to pay 13 million, Delta just recently devalued themselves to around 7 million.
Those investors lost half, doubt they will be back for the next chin-dig.

I think Branson will pick up and leave when he figures that Americans are cheap and will not pay one red cent more for anything. They will connect through atlanta to save 10 dollars but have no problem pony'n up for a 5$ latte and 10 dollar sandwich made by a no hand washing minimum wage bum.

I think you mean 13 Billion not million just a little bit of a difference. I think Delta's market cap is around 2 Billion now. Good thing you are not an accountant.