How much for King Air PIC?

[spitfire1940]

Does anyone know how much time the insurance companies require before someone can log PIC in a King Air 200?

I already have the multi-engine, instrument, commercial, and high-altitude endorsements that the FAA demands.

Any input is appreciated.

 

[C-5 MEM]

You don't need an insurance company to log PIC time, but you will need some training in the 200 before any company will allow you to fly the aircraft. EX. the company that I used to fly with required an training program before I could fly the aircraft. Yeah, you can fly the aircraft even though I have a commercial MEL, but your insurance rates will be sky high.

 

[Capt. Gab]

I'll second that.

Also, where I'm at, BE200 PIC needs 2000 TT.

Happy flying!

 

[spitfire1940]

KingAir200 hours

Thanks guys.

Guess it would have been clearer if I had said "act as PIC" of a King Air 200, rather than just log the time as PIC.

The situation is that a friend and his business partners want the King Air and they're going to need pilots--and I want to be at the head of the line.

But if it's going to cost a fortune to insure it with me flying (even after going to Simcom) then maybe they should get a Baron or something.

What a killer ... where are pilots supposed to get the turbine experience that satisfies the insurance weasels? I guess the military or by SICing at a 135 or 121.

Regards,

 

[C-5 MEM]

RJ,

I would like to make a suggestion. Your friends who are going to get a King Air. Ask them to pay for your training and you would fly to pay it off. That is how I started my turbine experience. I had the owner of the plane pay for my training at Simuflite which ran about 3000 dollars. Each time I flew the plane I took off $350. It took a while to get it down, but it paid off. Then the second year I had them pay half of the bill. They still put up all the money, but all I had to subtract from the bill was 1500 dollars.

I hope this will help

 

[cvsfly]

Most of aviation deals with famous "Catch-22" scenario. Can't get a job without hours and can't get the hours without a job. See the movie or read the book - a must for any career pilot. It just takes persistance and hunting for opportunities like you are doing. I got out of a major college flight school in 1988 with about 300 hrs. Beg, borrowed and stealed (not really) hours while I worked a "normal" ground job with an airline. Got to about 500 hrs before I went for the CFI and renewed every 2 yrs with another (CFII, MEI). Competition was tight and I didn't get a steady CFI job until 1992, but I was still contract and picked other work where I could. Airline hiring had taken a dump so I continued the contract flying gig. Tried for a regional in 1996 when I had my ATP and if I remember right about 2000 hrs and 200 ME. Turned down, still not competitive on ME time. Got on with small air charter/air ambulance for a year. Still no turbine opportunities so got a C-208 night freight job. By this time in 1998 the regionals had been booming and now I was almost over qualified at 3000 and 800 ME. Finally got a local corporate/135 job that I had been after for a year and a half, but still by being the right person at the right time. Got an interview offer at a fractional the same day I got this job. Bird in the hand worth more than one in the bush and turned down the fractional (also got engaged same year). Got promoted and now make as much as most captains at the regionals. Of course I may have to pound the pavement in the (near) future and if lucky to get another job, take a pay cut. All it takes is blood, sweat, and tears. But enough about me.

Insurance hit the small turbine and 135 operators hard in this past year. For our insurance on (our only aircraft) a 1996 BE-B200 with 50 million liability, 2.5 mil on hull, "open" pilot requirements of: yearly FSI or Simuflight, PIC with 3500tt/2000me/100 type, required co-pilot now with 1000 tt/500 me/25 in type - we pay $32,000/yr. Ridiculous - yes. Of course with a qualification review the insurance carrier will take less hours and the pilot has to be "named" on policy. This is with USAIG. Any other suggestions for insurance carriers?

 

[flydog]

At our company the mins are the 135 IFR mins, 1200 hrs. No prior turbine exp required. I would say it depends on the insurance company. There are companies that required 4000 TT, and 1500 turbine to fly a King Air

 

[spitfire1940]

You're saying that your company will let someone fly a King Air 200, as left-seat PIC, with passengers, with only 1200 TT? Just want to verify that.

I guess anything is possible if you can handle the premium. Your company anywhere near Maryland?

 

[JetPilot500]

I worked for 2 Part 135 companies in my history. Both places had insurance companies that gave the Chief Pilot autority to determine the flight time requirements of its pilots.

If he wanted to (thank god he didn't), he could have a 1500TT Captain with a 250TT Co-Pilot in a Lear 35 flying charter trips, and both with zero time in the airplane (other than the check-out). Both companies had very good insurance too, not some dirt bag company. This type of insurance is pretty common with Part 135 companies that have a good safety record.

JetPilot500

 

[cvsfly]

At our company the mins are the 135 IFR mins, 1200 hrs. No prior turbine exp required. I would say it depends on the insurance company. There are companies that required 4000 TT, and 1500 turbine to fly a King Air

Quote: I worked for 2 Part 135 companies in my history. Both places had insurance companies that gave the Chief Pilot autority to determine the flight time requirements of its pilots.


Yeah we are still going to work on the insurance thing. We had $100 million liability last year. The owner has deep pockets. Even as a LLC, the lawyers would be able to get him good since he is the sole CEO of all his companies. If we crash into someones house with a bunch of executives aboard, we wants to be protected. I like to tell him he has better odds in Las Vegas. Our premimum had been $22,000 on a single 1996 loaded BE-B200 with 100 mil liability, 3.5 mil on hull and a discount if we flew 2 pilots but it wasn't written in stone. Then came 9/11 and our policy renewed in 2/02. Went to $43,000 with same coverage and requirements for 2 pilots with minimum exp. Lowered hull and lowered liability to get it to $32,000. It is mostly the liability coverage that dictates how strict is the policy. How are these other companies working the insurance angle? I know you get discounts for larger fleets, older aircraft, lower liability. What are the companies you are using? What liability are you carring? If it is real low, one bad accident might shut down the company. Anyone with detailed insurance advice please PM me.

 

[KingAirGuy]

200 PIC

Well our company has USAIG and they used to require 250 in type (the kingairs) before a pilot could act as single pilot PIC. (of course they also required Flight Safety Initial... hmmm.. who owns both companies?) I have been told they requirement has gone up, but haven't a clue. As I understand it, each insurance company has a different deal which is of course changable with the proper application of money.