How Much Does the Battery Weigh in a CL-65?

[iflyabeech]

You cannot be held liable on a PC for aircraft-specific information, facts or limitations that are not listed in company-provided materials.

I wouldn't stake a job you want on that bit of knowledge dude. Ever read a PTS?

 

[iflyabeech]

This question is just like asking a private pilot candidate on their checkride what the main tire pressure is. "Uhhhhhhhhh, I have no idea, its in the AOM" would be the response. And that would be a correct answer.

If I was asked this question I would say "Gee I don't know, its not in any of my training materials, but I'm sure its listed in the maintenance binders."

Maybe that is all the examiner wanted to know.

 

[BoilerUP]

I wouldn't stake a job you want on that bit of knowledge dude. Ever read a PTS?

As a matter of fact, yes I have. Having worked in a 121 training department, I know first hand that these ignorant types of aircraft questions are asked by check airman that have a desire to show pilots they are smarter and know more about the airplane. That's all well and good for them.

Now Mr. Don't Bet A Job on That, tell me exactly why a pilot is expected to know the weight of the main and APU batteries specifically, or anything aircraft related that is not in the manuals provided to them by their company generally.

My company says I need to have all boxed items in my Flight Crew Manual committed to memory. If an item is not boxed, it is not required memory knowledge per the GOM but one is expected to be familiar with where to find it. If something is not even in the FCM, then how can I or any other pilot realistically be expected to know it???

 

[John Pennekamp]

As a matter of fact, yes I have. Having worked in a 121 training department, I know first hand that these ignorant types of aircraft questions are asked by check airman that have a desire to show pilots they are smarter and know more about the airplane. That's all well and good for them.

Now Mr. Don't Bet A Job on That, tell me exactly why a pilot is expected to know the weight of the main and APU batteries specifically, or anything aircraft related that is not in the manuals provided to them by their company generally.

My company says I need to have all boxed items in my Flight Crew Manual committed to memory. If an item is not boxed, it is not required memory knowledge per the GOM but one is expected to be familiar with where to find it. If something is not even in the FCM, then how can I or any other pilot realistically be expected to know it???

You hit the nail on the head. Too many IPs and check airmen have a runaway ego and insist on finding something you don't know so that they can teach you and prove how smart they are. They actually promote this in IP meetings, saying "find the edge of the pilot's knowledge". Basically, if the oral goes to questions that off the wall, you know you passed, because you already answered all of the required questions, and they're trying to find SOMETHING you don't know.

 

[iflyabeech]

As a matter of fact, yes I have. Having worked in a 121 training department, I know first hand that these ignorant types of aircraft questions are asked by check airman that have a desire to show pilots they are smarter and know more about the airplane. That's all well and good for them.

Now Mr. Don't Bet A Job on That, tell me exactly why a pilot is expected to know the weight of the main and APU batteries specifically, or anything aircraft related that is not in the manuals provided to them by their company generally.

My company says I need to have all boxed items in my Flight Crew Manual committed to memory. If an item is not boxed, it is not required memory knowledge per the GOM but one is expected to be familiar with where to find it. If something is not even in the FCM, then how can I or any other pilot realistically be expected to know it???

You list less than 1500 hrs of ttl time, yet you know it all!
I never said a pilot should know the specific information. Even a student pilot with a good background would be able to produce this information. Answer: I don't know, but I can look it up in the equipment list.
Regardless of what your company says, the requirements for issuance of a type rating are issued by the Feds. Whether a check airmen or a Fed is administering the exam, it should be the same, except that a deviation with a fed is an automatic bust.

This type of question can show a lot about attitude and knowledge.

You failed!

 

[iflyabeech]

Also, what are you going to do when you are cruising along and you have a problem that wasn't in the company provided materials? Are you gonna say, "Well, I don't have to know it, the company didn't tell me the answer?"

That attitude kills people!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Also, what are you going to do when you are cruising along and you have a problem that wasn't in the company provided materials? Are you gonna say, "Well, I don't have to know it, the company didn't tell me the answer?"

That attitude kills people!

Not knowing the weight of a battery will kill someone? Maybe if it falls on their head...

 

[iflyabeech]

Not knowing the weight of a battery will kill someone? Maybe if it falls on their head...

I think I said," That attitude kills people" Not, "not knowing the weight of the battery will kill people."
Dork!

 

[ohplease!]

the batteries weigh:

MAX. 40lbs. & 84.7lbs.

 

[iflyabeech]

I once had a check airmen on a Navajo who would ask "What 5 things does this aircraft need to be airworthy?"
Now, that is a BS question by a check airmen.
(He had 5 specific things he was looking for, and you didn't know what you were talking about if you did not answer these 5 exact things)
I remember some folks told him things like wings, propeller, Engines, landing gear, ailerons. . .
He was looking for something like static wicks, stall fences and other obscure little things that a normal person wouldn't think of when asked a general question like that.

It was BS, but the point was to provoke thought and to see the applicants thought process.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think I said," That attitude kills people" Not, "not knowing the weight of the batter will kill people."
Dork!

I think your post was an oxymoron, don't you? Calling me a dork?

 

[iflyabeech]

umm, no i think i was pretty clear in my first post. Read it!

If the shoe fits, then wear it, DORK!

 

[John Pennekamp]

umm, no i think i was pretty clear in my first post. Read it!

If the shoe fits, then wear it, DORK!

Well, yeah, since I'm sitting within 500 yards of a beach goofing off on my computer, and you're arguing with people about how minutia on an airplane can kill people, I guess I'm a dork.

 

[BoilerUP]

Thank you for judging me, Mr. Beech. This may come as a complete and total shock to you, but some people's aviation knowledge & experience surpasses the number in the far right column of their logbook. I never said I know it all, in fact I am far from it. The only thing I said was that it is unfair to expect a pilot to know a fact or limitation rote that is not supplied to them, and as such, it cannot be held against them if they don't know it.

It doesn't take a friggin' ATP to know there is an equipment list provided by Bombardier (or any manufacturer, for that matter). I do know, however that equipment list is not provided to the pilots and if somebody wants to play "smarter pilot than you" with something that isn't supplied in manuals or trainied in ground school, that isn't entirely ethical. Requirements for issuance of a type rating are set in the PTS, but lets be honest here - if you got busted for not knowing a rote limitation or fact that you weren't trained, nor was in any of your study materials or company manuals, you'd be pissed...because that isn't fair!

 

[iflyabeech]

Well, yeah, since I'm sitting within 500 yards of a beach goofing off on my computer, and you're arguing with people about how minutia on an airplane can kill people, I guess I'm a dork.

Cool, I happen to have a beach in my backyard.


I think I clearly said it was the lazy attitude that kills people.

I'm right, you are wrong deal with it!

 

[iflyabeech]

Thank you for judging me, Mr. Beech. This may come as a complete and total shock to you, but some people's aviation knowledge & experience surpasses the number in the far right column of their logbook. I never said I know it all, in fact I am far from it. The only thing I said was that it is unfair to expect a pilot to know a fact or limitation rote that is not supplied to them, and as such, it cannot be held against them if they don't know it.

It doesn't take a friggin' ATP to know there is an equipment list provided by Bombardier (or any manufacturer, for that matter). I do know, however that equipment list is not provided to the pilots and if somebody wants to play "smarter pilot than you" with something that isn't supplied in manuals or trainied in ground school, that isn't entirely ethical. Requirements for issuance of a type rating are set in the PTS, but lets be honest here - if you got busted for not knowing a rote limitation or fact that you weren't trained, nor was in any of your study materials or company manuals, you'd be pissed...because that isn't fair!

You think you have superior knowledge. You said more than one thing. You said this was an ignorant question. It wasn't. This was one of those questions that required soemthing more than rote knowledge. He wasn't looking for a specific answer off the top of your head! It is the attitude that will do you in.

I think I explained that a student pilot should be able to answer this question. The examiner knows that the actual weight of the battery is meaningless He wants to know that you know what an equipment list is. He is asking an indirect question to test your knowledge. That is what he is supposed to do. You are supposed to have knowledge. Apparently you do not.

It is easy to tell that you are a follower, not a leader.

 

[BoilerUP]

You think you have superior knowledge. You said more than one thing. You said this was an ignorant question. It wasn't. This was one of those questions that required soemthing more than rote knowledge. He wasn't looking for a specific answer off the top of your head! It is the attitude that will do you in.

What attitude? I find it amazing you believe I "think" I have superior knowledge, especially when I admitted in my previous post that I do not. I stand by my statement that it was an ignorant question to ask about battery weights, as is every "I'm smarter than you" non-PTS question posed by a check airman. I don't know about your company, I know a checkairman that asks this exact question. Its not about probing your knowledge to see how far your understanding goes, its about I am smarter than you...at least with who I have in mind...

I think I explained that a student pilot should be able to answer this question. The examiner knows that the actual weight of the battery is meaningless He wants to know that you know what an equipment list is. He is asking an indirect question to test your knowledge. That is what he is supposed to do. You are supposed to have knowledge. Apparently you do not.

Thanks for the FOI lesson dad, but I was a CFI and have taken plenty checkrides myself and I know how this game is played. I think we've discussed this at least a half dozen times already. I think I explained what my response would be:

Gee I don't know, its not in any of my training materials, but I'm sure its listed in the maintenance binders."

It is easy to tell that you are a follower, not a leader.

If you only knew how full of sh!t you were making such accusatory statement...

Good day, sir...

 

[iflyabeech]

It is a lazy,........ if they didn't provide it to me, i don't need to know it. Its not my fault. . .They didn't provide it to me........attitude that kills people and that you posess.

You are unable to recognize that you are deficient in some areas and are very defensive. You are unable to accept your own failures. You are unable to say it was my fault. Typical mentality of liberals and others who don't know better. Take responsibility for yourself. Don't be a smartass!

Its not that you didn't know this stuff. Its your lack of care and your attitude that does you in.

Oh yeah, quit whining about things not being fair if you are such a leader. Know your stuff and your basic knowledge and don't blame the teacher or the examiner. . .the failure is yours and yours alone!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

You must be a real joy on a 4-day.

 

[BoilerUP]

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You've called me lazy, defensive, deficient, a smartass, a know-it-all, and said my "attitude" would kill people. You don't even know me, have never flown with me, and don't know dick about my aviation background outside of my small flightinfo profile...yet you yourself exhibit the most typical Type A pilot attitude (I am right and you are wrong)! Hell you even said it in an earlier post!

So here, let me say it for you - I was wrong to think a pilot trained to fly "by the book" shouldn't be held responsible on a PC for knowledge that he/she wasn't supplied with. How foolish of me. I bow in humility before your superior aviation intelliect, experience, flight time, knowledge and skill. Forgive me for my transgressions.

 

[PCL_128]

And Iflyabeech just earned the third spot on my Ignore List. Congrats, d0uchebag!

Give it a try, Boiler. This twit doesn't deserve the time you're devoting to responding to him.

 

[iflyabeech]

whoopity doo lots of "twits" here. I hope my family or I never has to ride with any of ya'll.

 

[PCL_128]

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It's a beautiful thing.

 

[BoilerUP]

whoopity doo lots of "twits" here. I hope my family or I never has to ride with any of ya'll.

Your family would be in good hands, and you'd always be welcome as a jumpseater. Welcome aboard! But if you ask me how much the batteries weigh, I'm gonna club you with my maglite.

 

[WhatsUpNow?]

Its funny how the answer to the question that started this thread was answered a page or so back and people are still arguing. You people crack me up.

 

[pilotmyf]

Ok, here is the most stupid oral question ever, the one that every one has heard of someone getting asked but no one really seems to know the answer:

How much does the main battery weigh in a CL-65?

How much does the APU battery weigh in a CL-65?

Speaking of maintence topics, how come there is no forum on here for mechanics? They have forums for flight attendents and dispatchers, but no forum for mechanics.

You are an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[knewhigher]

This is one of the reasons I love FI. A question as simple as the weight of a battery can turn into a flame-fest.

Flame on! :beer:

 

[iflyabeech]

Ha! and some people can't handle the truth and hit the ignore button!-and then brag about hitting the ignore button!! COOL GUY!

 

[iflyabeech]

Your family would be in good hands, and you'd always be welcome as a jumpseater. Welcome aboard! But if you ask me how much the batteries weigh, I'm gonna club you with my maglite.

Do your company issued books and manuals explain clubbing procedures? If they don't you may not know what to do or how to do it!

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Yes, that is a stupid question! I can't think of a situation why you would actually need to know that. Reminds me of --"How many steps are there on the boarding stairs?"

Of course this is a valid question. What if the battery experiences thermal runaway and falls out of the plane? You would have to recalculate the weight and balance to ensure that the plane is flown properly. Nevermind that you have a severe electrical problem...the QRH can wait!

And for the boarding stairs...what if there were a fire with acidic smoke that blinded you? You should know how many stairs you need to walk down to get to the ground safely.

Geez...check airmen are supposed to be anal, aren't they?

Then again...my answer would have been, WGAF?