How much do ASA instructors make?

[FishandFly]

What is their guarantee and average payrate? (say for a 10 yr guy)

 

[jehtplane]

What is their guarantee and average payrate? (say for a 10 yr guy)

Go earn yourself a job in the training department and find out

 

[SuperKooter]

What is their guarantee and average payrate? (say for a 10 yr guy)

They make too much for the amount of work they do.

 

[blzr]

They make too much for the amount of work they do.

Funny... that's what management thinks of all of us.

 

[1x1]

What is their guarantee and average payrate? (say for a 10 yr guy)

It doesn't matter as far as contract negotiations are concerned.

IT IS A MANAGEMENT OVERHEAD COST. PERIOD.

Just as aircraft acquisition costs are. Don't let management con anyone into thinking that cost needs to be offset against "operational profitability". These guys are unbelievable. They keep adding B/S to their argument.

ASA = Accounting Spin Airlines

 

[Airboss]

A couple things about IP's. They only get 12 days off. They get paid based off of the aircraft that their senority can hold. Some IP's end up in the 12 am-4 am sim block.
We have some senior IP's that could have 19 days off, but choose not to. So their pay rate is reasonable.

 

[1x1]

And Skywest IP's make more than ASA IP's anyway. From what I understand, they do work their tails off, and earn every $.

ASA mgmt. - YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! Give us a fair contract & leave the IP costs out of the argument.

 

["GO AROUND"]

They make too much for the amount of work they do.

Tell that to them next time before your trianing event, if you have the balls. Which we all know you don't. A$$HOLE.

 

[FishandFly]

Go earn yourself a job in the training department and find out

Thanks for the career advice moron.

"super kooter" leave my thread alone


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Does anyone know how much our IP's make?

What is their hourly pay based on? 50, 70 what?

Anyone know what their guarentee is?

 

[Sinca3]

95 hr guarantee on the seat their senority can hold...Only a hand full can't hold the 70 so the majority of the instructors are on the 70 rate. The guys tat give type rides get a guarantee of more but can't remember the exact number (maybe 102).
Our instructors are not over paid for the work and responsibilities they hold. I can also say everyone of them would be happy leaving their part of the contract alone (incorparate the LOA)
Status quo
Good luck to us all

 

[ASApuppy]

Their pay is covered by LOA 16. You can read it at asacontract.com. You get what you pay for. If IP pay is cut, expect a mass exodus from the training dept. Most will be leaving the company for better carriers since they are the cream of the crop for those hiring.

 

[FishandFly]

Thanks for the info guys.

I ran the math. A 15 year IP at 102 hour guarantee

$116,500 per year

Not including per diem, premium, or overblock.

I know they only have 12 days off, but from talking with them I've never once heard them complain about the inability to work their days around to get off whatever they need.

That is a pretty sweet deal for them, but maybe efforts can be made to save some money here. I'd rather it come off their paycheck than a first officer.

 

[SuperKooter]

Thanks for the info guys.

I ran the math. A 15 year IP at 102 hour guarantee

$116,500 per year

Not including per diem, premium, or overblock.

I know they only have 12 days off, but from talking with them I've never once heard them complain about the inability to work their days around to get off whatever they need.

That is a pretty sweet deal for them, but maybe efforts can be made to save some money here. I'd rather it come off their paycheck than a first officer.

'

Way overpaid.

 

[atrdriver]

ASA's training department is one of the best in the industry. There is a reason for that. If they didn't make what they do they would leave the training department and management would have a hard time replacing them. For those that remember when FSI trained on the 120, I don't think anyone wants to go back to that, except management.

 

[1x1]

Hey fish and fly,

Nobody in this company deserves a paycut. Like ASApuppy says, the IPs of ASA are a great bunch - don't give them reason to leave.

 

[atrdriver]

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Way overpaid.

Why don't you go back to ALPA bashing and leave some of the best instructors in the industry alone.

 

[701EV]

They make too much for the amount of work they do.

Hey Pooter

FCUK YUO

701EV

 

[ASARJMan]

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Way overpaid.

Go get an education you monkey spanking beecth!

 

[jehtplane]

Thanks for the info guys.

I ran the math. A 15 year IP at 102 hour guarantee

$116,500 per year

Not including per diem, premium, or overblock.

I know they only have 12 days off, but from talking with them I've never once heard them complain about the inability to work their days around to get off whatever they need.

That is a pretty sweet deal for them, but maybe efforts can be made to save some money here. I'd rather it come off their paycheck than a first officer.

Here we go another tool. What premium and overblock do you get working on the training side, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, what a shock, the training department works for the money.The guys on the standard side get a 95 hour gaurantee no matter how long they have been there.

 

[FishandFly]

Here we go another tool. What premium and overblock do you get working on the training side, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, what a shock, the training department works for the money.The guys on the standard side get a 95 hour gaurantee no matter how long they have been there.

Way to go Jetplane!! From my thread titled "How much do ASA instructors make?" you were able to figure out that I wasn't an expert on how much ASA instructors make. You're a winner..

Also, since you know so much why don't you know that the LOA 16 an above poster mentioned for me to look at says they make a 102 hour guarantee?

What's wrong with you?

 

["GO AROUND"]

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Way overpaid.

So are you, cause you're WORTHLESS. As a pilot, person, human being, but you already knew that.

 

[sweptback]

ASA instructors are not overpaid for many reasons.

First, while they may get 12 days off now, times like last summer when we were scrambling to hire pilots they will get less. I have heard of instructors getting 8 days off in a month.

Instructors give up a lot of QOL to do the job. While they may be able to work out a system if they need a specific day off or two, they do not work 3 on 4 off, which almost every instructor here would be able to hold on the line. Yes, they're home every night, but they're out working at the sims every day.

Finally, instructors here do a great job and keep this place operating. Why should they take a pay cut? Would you want your next PC done by a FlightSafety sim jockey that has never flown a RJ, yet is failing you because he didn't like the way you flew it?

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Way overpaid.

Justification? What should they make? Why?

 

[anon]

ASA instructors are not overpaid for many reasons.

- Would you want your next PC done by a FlightSafety sim jockey that has never flown a RJ, yet is failing you because he didn't like the way you flew it?

I imagine the FAA will have to take over the Pro Checks and Flightsafety folks will do the training.

The E120 pilots may remember how that worked out in the past.

This is going to be interesting.

 

[atrdriver]

I imagine the FAA will have to take over the Pro Checks and Flightsafety folks will do the training.

The E120 pilots may remember how that worked out in the past.

This is going to be interesting.

That's just what we need...having a fed in the back during pro checks. Not like its not already enough stress.

 

[jehtplane]

Way to go Jetplane!! From my thread titled "How much do ASA instructors make?" you were able to figure out that I wasn't an expert on how much ASA instructors make. You're a winner..

Also, since you know so much why don't you know that the LOA 16 an above poster mentioned for me to look at says they make a 102 hour guarantee?

What's wrong with you?

And obviously you can not figure out what you are reading and know less about the training department than my kids.

First of all, ther are two parts to the training dept.

1. Standards- Handles, IOE, Line Checks and Stan Rides

2. Training- Basically does everything at Flightsafety, PC's Lofts, RFT, Ground Schools, and all simulator training.

In the training dept, which you obviously know nothing about, you are either in training side or standards side , not both.

1. Standards guarantee- 95 hours that is as high as their guarantee gets.

2. Training guarantee- 95-107 hour guarantee depending on longevity and qualifications.



Not everyone in the training dept has been at ASA 15 years, there are some guys that are gonna lose the 700 pay because they can no longer hold award as a captain on it when SLC closes. ASA is going through many tough times right now. The pilot group does not need *************************'s like you playing into the divide and conquer technique, you need to be united as one and back each other up, not sit here and say things like you would rather see the paycuts for the instructors than for line pilots. Because I certainly know the instructors are not saying , as long as our pay does not get cut who cares what happens to the line pilots pay. If you really want the instructors pay cut, than be a man about it and tell them that the next time you are at Flight Safety or the next time you are struggling with your upgrade, and the instructor stays on his or her time to help you get through it, make sure you tell them that. Nobody at ASA deserves a paycut, if it were not for the employees at ASA, the day to day operations would fold like a cheap tent.

 

[HoserASA]

Back when Delta was hiring away many of our IPs, ASA decided they needed to keep what they had, and made the wise decision to pay them what they're worth in order to retain them. Now they want to do the complete opposite. Funny how managers repeat their mistakes, and how every airline CEO follows and responds to other airlines. One orders a new paint job, the rest follow suit. One starts a low cost operation, the rest follow. Only ones like Southwest don't follow, treat employees fairly, and are extremely successful.

I for one believe our IPs are worth what they are paid. I've had IPs on their off time come out and help me get through training. Many others have done and received the same. It's an excellent training department, and needs to remain so. I support the IPs retaining what they have now.

Hoser

 

[CJA]

One group of the company that actually has a good deal, gets paid what they are worth and some of these idiots want to take it away! Smart thinking, if someone makes more than you, instead of trying to raise your own standard, drag them down to your level. Kinda what all the bitching is about, isn't it?