How Many Regionals are Cat II???

[flyn96]

I know Expressjet is and Mesaba is developing a Cat II programs with CRJ and ARJ just wondering how many other regionals bother with Cat II.

 

[flx757]

Horizon is Cat II/III.

 

[Wacopilot]

CMR is.

Waco

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Nevermind...I see you already had it in your post

 

[DoinTime]

I know Expressjet is and Mesaba is developing a Cat II programs with CRJ and ARJ just wondering how many other regionals bother with Cat II.

PCL has been working on a CAT II program since the first CRJ was delivered five years ago. In talking with some of the training folks lately they may be getting serious about it now. Flying for NW though it doesn't really matter if your CAT II or not though. NW cancels a good portion of the Airlink flights when the weather gets really bad in order to preserve their on time performance. The last really bad weather day in MSP saw three mainline cancellations and 180 Airlink cancellations. Go figure.

 

[joe_pilot]

SkyWest is Cat. II authorized.

 

[flatspin7]

PCL has been working on a CAT II program since the first CRJ was delivered five years ago. In talking with some of the training folks lately they may be getting serious about it now. Flying for NW though it doesn't really matter if your CAT II or not though. NW cancels a good portion of the Airlink flights when the weather gets really bad in order to preserve their on time performance. The last really bad weather day in MSP saw three mainline cancellations and 180 Airlink cancellations. Go figure.

CAL does the same thing with Xjet--- I guess they would rather deal with 50 pissed off people than 150+ pissed off people.

 

[atrdriver]

ASA is fully CATII with the ATR's, now they are working on the CRJ's, maybe about half way done with the training for them.

 

[Regional4life]

Flying for NW though it doesn't really matter if your CAT II or not though. NW cancels a good portion of the Airlink flights when the weather gets really bad in order to preserve their on time performance. [/QUOTE]

Why do you think PNL and XJ are going to CAT II? It's cause NW is so pissed off at us on bad wx days when they can make it in and we can't. Prime example was DTW over the winter. We are going to CAT II so they don't have to cancel us. The whole program is being driven by NWA, especially after the events over the winter.

 

[bailout]

As stated ASA ATRs are doing it,70 seat training is done, 50 seat training starts June 1st.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

In talking with some of the training folks lately they may be getting serious about it now.

No, we're serious this time.. really, it's almost here.

 

[flap operator]

Mesaba is hoping the CRJs will be Cat II certified out of the box when they arrive in the fall. They're also hoping for Cat III for the avros. I'm not sure the reason NWA cancels airlink flights first is because we can't get in and out. Their DC9s, DC10s and maybe the 742s are not Cat II/III certified, AFAIK. I think they cancel so that when gridlock happens due to wx (not only snow, CBs or reduced vis) a porportionately smaller amount of people are affected.

FO

 

[JetLinkin Park]

CAL does the same thing with Xjet--- I guess they would rather deal with 50 pissed off people than 150+ pissed off people.

News to me. We've (XJT) been CAT II for a few years now and there have been times when we've looked at each other after viewing ACARS wx and said we're not going. A quick call to dispatch and we're told that CAT II ops are up and off we go.......

 

[a320drivr]

NWA DC9's and DC10's are CATII.

 

[ATRCA]

XJT has been CAT II for a couple of yrs now. I have only done 1 CAT II app. since we started, however I have been sent to YHZ on more than one occasion when we were expecting to conduct CAT II ops to get it.

It always seems like the place goes CAT I mins about 20 min before arrival, funny how the TWR seems to know what is needed and when.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I dunno the precise answer to your question but I am pretty sure every regional and most majors are Cat IIIB capable on the last leg of a four day.

 

[kmox29]

Mesaba's Saabs are CAT II...PNF calls "mmmmmmmmmmmmminumums"!

 

[ArcticFlier]

Almost

SkyWest is Cat. II authorized.

We are on the 'Dark Side' of the house, but not on the Bro.

AF

 

[FlyChicaga]

Could someone explain how Horizon conducts their CATIII operations? Do you have HUDs? I'd be interested in knowing how you do those approaches.

 

[Singlecoil]

Could someone explain how Horizon conducts their CATIII operations? Do you have HUDs? I'd be interested in knowing how you do those approaches.

It's all hand flown with the Hud or HGS. The Q400 is even certified for single-engine Cat III.

 

[fly4ever]

a320drivr,

If NW 9's are cat II why do so many divert with us when DTW goes to cat II/III mins? They were asked just like we were if they were cat II and they said no. We held for well over an hour with several 9's in the hold as well. We all ended up going to FNT, TOL, CLE, MBS etc...

Just curious,

FLY

 

[dkwid]

True. The downside of all that equipment and qualifications would be the fact that allot of the airports in the QX native system are still CAT I...like BOI!

I find it strange that they would spend all this money to get the CAT III single engine qualifications, yet....don't have acars system running. (What's up with that?) But hey, they've got technology!

Well, let me think here. We do around 170 or more flights a day into Seattle, maybe a couple dozen into Boise...which only gets fog for a short period during the year. Any time Seattle, Spokanne, or Portland are down to 600 most points from within our system you would not even be allowed to launch toward one of these airports unless your CATIII. That is pretty substantial and I am sure you know that as well as anyone. Now what would ACARS do?

 

[regionaltard]

Any time Seattle, Spokanne, or Portland are down to 600 most points from within our system you would not even be allowed to launch toward one of these airports unless your CATIII. That is pretty substantial and I am sure you know that as well as anyone. Now what would ACARS do?

I think the previous post referred to the single-engine provision, which provides a bit of relief with regard to useable alternates for dispatch. Any actual single-engine Cat3 approach would be conducted under the Captain's emergency authority.

 

[Pedro]

Mesaba's Saabs are CAT II...PNF calls "mmmmmmmmmmmmminumums"!

Hahahahaha if you say it sounds lot funnier!!!!

 

[QCappy]

Or do you sleep better having the qualification in your back pocket...just in case?

Absolutely. But in reality, I don't believe any extra money was spent certifying it for single-enging CAT III. Since the system has a roll-out cue after landing, it is therefore able to be certified for single-engine CAT III landings. That is also why the Q400 is certified 600-600-400 and the Q200 is only certified 600-600-600...no rollout cue.

As far as that crap under your name "I tell pilots where to go and how to get there".......whatever desk jockey!

 

[Singlecoil]

That is also why the Q400 is certified 600-600-400 and the Q200 is only certified 600-600-600...no rollout cue.

I think you meant 600-400-0 for the Q400 and 600-600-0 for the Q200.

 

[QCappy]

I think you meant 600-400-0 for the Q400 and 600-600-0 for the Q200.

You're right....guess I haven't done one for a while.

 

[regionaltard]

How many times have you ACTUALLY used the CAT III alternate mins? MOST Captains don't like them, don't want them....or just plain don't understand how to use them. What good is it to have them when they are very rarely used? Or do you sleep better having the qualification in your back pocket...just in case?

They rarely come into play. With the exception of a few Kool-Aid drinkers out on the lunatic fringe most pilots don't look favorably at anything that adds sketchiness or complexity to operations, and this does both. When it comes down to a choice between the "legal" first alternate and the "bulletproof" second one, I'm sure you know where to look for the airplane....

 

[ArcticFlier]

They rarely come into play. With the exception of a few Kool-Aid drinkers out on the lunatic fringe most pilots don't look favorably at anything that adds sketchiness or complexity to operations, and this does both. When it comes down to a choice between the "legal" first alternate and the "bulletproof" second one, I'm sure you know where to look for the airplane....

It'll be where I left it................and that's generally where my car is parked.

J/K


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