How Do you get into Corporate???

[Noise]

I'm a considerably low time pilot in the grand scheme of things and would love to fly corporate. How do I get into it without going to the regionals to build the all mighty turbine multi time? I have about a 1000 total with around 50 multi (don't laugh). I just graduated college and am currently flight instructing. Any advice I can get would be really appreciated. How do you guys do it????

 

[Wiggums]

The key is knowing somebody.

If I were you I would go the regionals to get your time up to 2500TT, which are the mins for the fracs. Meanwhile you work on your networking. By the time you get to 2000-2500TT you need to know one person who will recommend you at CS, Flex, and NetJets, plus some people at local operators. If at 2500TT you cannot get a local job you get on with the fracs, get some types and build your experience. Eventually with enough networking you will get a good job, or you can make a carreer of flying for a fractional.

 

[willNOTfly4free]

When you say "corporate" I hope you do not mean only a Part 91 operator because that will seriously limit your possibilites and opportunities. I would look into Part 135 flying. I also just graduated college this past May and am currently flying for a charter operator. We fly about 40% part 91 and 60% Part 135.

With your time, you should be able to find a King Air job. Maybe even a Citation job. I've never tried it myself, but you can check out bizjetjobs.com Don't try to rush into something other than flight instructing either. The right job will come along for you. Patience is everything! You will probably even have a better chance getting a good corporate job as a flight instructor than a regional FO. I had to flight instruct for three months after I graduated before I found a good job in business aviation.

Best of Luck

 

[Noise]

Any Free Job Posting Sites

Is there any good sites to find job opportunites for charter ops or part 91 pilots? Preferably free sites.

 

[100 c.i.]

Is there any good sites to find job opportunites for charter ops or part 91 pilots? Preferably free sites.

Ive got 8000 hrs of which 5500 are in jets over 149500 Lbs. and cant even get an interview. any suggestions......

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

Get in line dude!! ....Unless U know somone where you live and that is where you want to stay.

NO..Seriously I wish I knew, but nothing seems to work out. Got some friends in places, but having to wait it out this long is about to run me out of the business.

GOOD LUCK!!!!


PtP

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

www.findapilot.com
www.corporatepilot.com

Is there any good sites to find job opportunites for charter ops or part 91 pilots? Preferably free sites.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

Is there any good sites to find job opportunites for charter ops or part 91 pilots? Preferably free sites.

Continuely update my sh!t and keep applying on the site I am on,.... NOT Much to speak of!!!!

Very Frustrating! Considering I've flown corporate before 121; All I want to do is fly an airplane for someone who gives a sh!t about the people flying his/her a$$ all over the country or world! That's IT! And a few scheduled days off.

PtP

 

[FlyFlyFly]

I would expect to spend at least two to five years networking to land a really good corporate job. It is knowing the right people and having a good reputation. You will need to be creative and work hard to have the right people familiar with your work ethic, your reputation and your attitude that will get that brass ring corporate job. If you are not really committed to it, expect to be frustrated.

There has been a significant amount written about this subject in this forum, and a search will reveal a wealth of information.

 

[AA717driver]

Patience is everything! You will probably even have a better chance getting a good corporate job as a flight instructor than a regional FO. I had to flight instruct for three months after I graduated before I found a good job in business aviation.

Best of Luck

Not trying to flame but three months of instructing is not exactly "paying your dues". It's nothing. You got out quick--good for you!

But, if you are advising someone to be patient, try telling them they may have to instruct for a few years before landing that king air job.

Soapbox alert! I think part of the problem with people getting disillusioned these days is that they have the expectation of coming right out of Purdue (or [insert aviation university of your choice]) and jumping into a RJ right away, upgrading in 6 months, buying a 737 type and being at SWA before the class behind them has graduated.

Yeah, you might nail the first goal but that's it. You sit in the right seat of a CRJ for year after year until you are bitter and pissed off at the ripe old age of 25. Or you leave for greener pastures (which are never greener) and you are bitter and pissed off at the ripe old age of 25.

If you land that "career" job within 5-10 years of getting out of college, you are doing great. If it REALLY turns out to be your last job--you hit the jackpot. But for all you guys coming out of college expecting to hit the big time in a couple of years (and I mean REALLY deep down believing you will make it in that period of time) for your sake, you need to readjust your sights. You will probably make it but not if you get burnt out before you really get started.

Good luck.TC

P.S.--Go get a 135 job in an area that has a lot of good 91 activity and slug it out and network like a S.O.B. It'll happen.

 

[Mercury]

Soapbox alert! I think part of the problem with people getting disillusioned these days is that they have the expectation of coming right out of Purdue (or [insert aviation university of your choice]) and jumping into a RJ right away, upgrading in 6 months, buying a 737 type and being at SWA before the class behind them has graduated.

Yeah, you might nail the first goal but that's it. You sit in the right seat of a CRJ for year after year until you are bitter and pissed off at the ripe old age of 25. Or you leave for greener pastures (which are never greener) and you are bitter and pissed off at the ripe old age of 25.

Good luck.TC

Great post TC!!!
Once again you hit the nail square on the head. You also said a lot of things that I have been thinking and feeling for quite some time now.
:beer:

It seems that instant gratification is all that some care about these days instead of developing a strong work ethic and a solid base of experience. (And no, plunking down daddy's credit card for 100 hrs in a seminole does not qualify)
My advice to recent graduates, flight instruct first, it will teach you more in the first six months than you learned in all of flight training. Second, fly at least some 135 charter, chances are you will gain exp. in bigger, possibly turbine powered aircraft but you will also learn the "life lessons" and "people skills" that will be invaluable when you do land the ultimate part 91 gig.

Just my ounce of advice, do with it as you see fit and all the best in your career pursuits.

 

[SNAFU22]

Network, Network, Network. On this side of the industry who you know is really the biggest factor. Sure we can all fly airplanes, blah, blah and more blah. It boils down to how good of a reputation you made for yourself. When there's a pilot opening, odds are the company already have a candidate in mind. The job posts you see on the net are there to appease the legal types.

I agree that you should keep instructing. You'll have a better opportunity to get out their shake hands and let yourself be known. research a few flight departments within the area. Go out and meet the folks who operate the department. Any chump can fire off resumes by fax, it's the person who takes the time to get in their face "sort of speak" who will have a greater opportunity of getting the job. Tell them who you are, let your work ethic speak for itself. Believe me work hard sell hard and it will come. Maybe not as soon as you like, but it will happen.

Strive to succeed therefore you shall succeed!

 

[Munga]

Only thing I can say is he hit it right on the head. I for one instructed for 3 years (flying 1000hr/yr)before getting a 91/135 job that got me an interview at Reno which was cancelled by AA when they bought them, then I went to a regional the let me sit in the rt. seat for 6+ years. During which I got a pool side spot at TWA, until AA bought them and kicked all kiddies out of the pool and furloughed thousands. So I quit the regional last year so I could afford to pay rent in California and actually buy a car and now I fly a desk, dreaming of flying, but making a ton more money than I did at the ""regional."

Good luck to you. Network and don't do what I did and get stuck at a regional that won't grow and feels its employees are lower than whale sh*t!

 

[AA717driver]

Munga, that sucks! Just think, if you'd gotten hired at AA, you'd be senior to me! TC

 

[phishn@daves]

Continuely update my sh!t and keep applying on the site I am on,.... NOT Much to speak of!!!!

Very Frustrating! Considering I've flown corporate before 121; All I want to do is fly an airplane for someone who gives a sh!t about the people flying his/her a$$ all over the country or world! That's IT! And a few scheduled days off.

PtP

I don't think sleeping with the bosses wife was part of the deal, unless of course it's in your OPS SPECS, then indeed, you must obey the rules. Unfortunately, 69 was her age.:erm: