How Do I Get These Multi Hours???

[your_dreamguy]

Hello,

Got my ATP about a month ago. I hace my MEI and 115 hours of multi. I need about 85 ME hours to apply with some regionals. Does anyone know how I can pick up these hours without paying. I am currently instructing in Southern Cal and AZ but only doing single engine. Haven't found a place that will hire me as an MEI.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[Badger]

200 isn't an end.

Man don't think about just getting 200, that won't cut it. MEI'ing in itself probably won't even be enough to any extent in today's market.

1) Go to a 135 box/check hauler that has Barons, Navajo's or something of the sort already in the fleet in great numbers. fly a lance or starter aircraft until you get to the twins. It will happen, people are interested in moving on in these places and they will in good and bad markets. They will be your best connections to regionals later.

2) Don't PFT.

3) Don't make career judgements based on what an owner/company SAYS they're gonna do or is PLANNING to do. It's all BullShi7 until it's parked on the ramp or stamped on the back of your certificate.

4) Stay single. Don't buy alot of junk to drag around with you. Buy a Toyota. Don't sign > 3 mo. leases. Don't get DWI's. and live like you make 30K for life regardless of salary.

5) Don't be afraid to leave anything for something better.

6) Don't fly into red spots on the radar.... I'm sorry, this one is fresh on my mind for some reason.

Good luck and remember it's about enjoying what you're doing not wearing some BS costume or showing granny pictures of you in front of an RJ. Act like a professional, demand to be treated like one. Punish those that demean the profession at every opportunity. (ie. ex. Gulfstream). God help them if I'm ever on an interview board.

G'day

 

[SDdriver]

AMEN! Well Put. Couldn't have said it better. DON"T PFT!

SD

 

[StarChecker]

It took me 7 months to get an interview with 1500 multi. I'm still waiting to hear from Comair after 8 months and having my stuff walked in three times. I don't see it happening with 200.

You absolutely cannot beat the experience of flying freight for a year single-pilot. It's challenging and very rewarding flying. Try doing that instead of going to the regionals right from instructing. With all the automation and a two-pilot crew, you'll be sleeping compared to what you were doing single-pilot. Good luck.

 

[SquirrelDog]

Badger you are the man. That's one of the best posts I have read.

Dreamguy: how did you get an ATP under 1500 hours anyway?

Try 135 twins of suck up to some individual twin owners in your area.

But by no means PFT

Squirreldog

 

[El Bucho]

First, take out a loan from a bank for the purchase of an aircraft of your choice and the cost of fuel for the number of hours you wish to fly.

Second, fly your ass off, burn all your gas money in one month.

Third, Default on the loan, have the airplane repossessed.

Fourth, Apply for your dream job. Your credit will be crap, but you'll have x number of multi hours in the logbook that they can't repo.

 

[SDdriver]

OK,

Go to your local charter companies and try and get a job flying SIC, apply with flight express and then upgrade to the twin after some time in the single, apply with Airnet, they take low multi time, there are ways, I did it, so did many others. You don't have to resort to paying for it. Just be patient and it will come. WE are all saying don't PFT because we know and have seen what it does to the industry, we also know it will be in his best intrest to not PFT. I mean the guy has a commercial right? Well then he deserves to be PAID!!!!

SD

 

[bobbysamd]

P-F-T and building multi

I was flamed in another thread for my continued opposition to P-F-T. Don't P-F-T.

You have enough multi that you should be able to get some MEI jobs. Keep that iron in the fire. Specifically, you might be MAPD instructor material. You might apply there. The real deal about MAPD for instructors is that after a time you can interview at Mesa Airlines.

I second Badger's observation about the multi time needed to be competitive. 200 is not enough in these times. You really need as a minimum 1500 total, 500 multi and your ATP to be competitive these days for the regionals and others. You have your ATP. 135 time would give you even more of an advantage.

Do what the others suggested. Knock on doors and look for paid employment to build multi. Multi built through any kind of paid employment is far more valuable than buying a block of it and flying it off.

Hope that helps. Good luck with your efforts.

 

[BaronFR8Dog]

FLY FREIGHT!

I joined Flight Express with 1207 total and 40 multi. Two years later I have 3700 and 1200 multi and I log five per night! Not to mention 400+ hours of solid IMC time, more night hours than day, flying barely-equipped planes with no autopilot, no dme, no radar and I'm still alive!

This is the best experience you can get... Yet... the regionals NEVER call me!!!! Forget about them!

I'm actively seeking a stable Caravan job with one of the feeders. I'll stay there a year or two, log tons of PIC turbine time and if by then the market has loosened up then I will be in pretty good shape. I have an interview in two weeks and I'm stoked!

Forget the regionals for now, Just buld time. FLight Express and Airnet hire fairly steadily. Airnet starts you in twins. Flight Express starts in 210's.

Good luck!

 

[de727ups]

Nice...

Great post Badger....I agree 100%. I like the way you put it about PFT and taking every chance we have to knock it down. Glad to see Gulfstream is closing their small plane flight school...that should help our cause.

Bobby....someone around here likes to say that anti-PFT'ers are washed up low timers who never made it and are mad that some guys are using another route. I don't fit that profile at all but still hate what PFT does to the profession. I don't know if you care about getting flamed but I think you ROCK and enjoy your comments and opinions.

BaronFR8....you are doing it right. You got the mutli, now go get some turbine. I'd like to see a 300 hour PFT guy fly a Baron all night in bad weather, 5 nights a week. If they could do the job you do I'd have a lot more respect for them.....

 

[bobbysamd]

P-F-T and low-timers

Bobby....someone around here likes to say that anti-PFT'ers are washed up low timers who never made it and are mad that some guys are using another route. I don't fit that profile at all but still hate what PFT does to the profession. I don't know if you care about getting flamed but I think you ROCK and enjoy your comments and opinions.

Thanks, my friend. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, and everyone is entiled to agree or disagree. I appreciate all responses, positive and negative, to my comments.

Moreover, I hardly was a low-timer twelve years ago during the first heyday of P-F-T. That, in part, is the crux of my anti-P-F-T argument. I had met the quals on paper, but, for whatever reason(s) my chance would have come only by P-F-T.

 

[dmspilot00]

I just meant that he said he didn't want to pay for it, so you are being redundant, by telling him not to pay for it...

 

[Sc00ter]

Should we be ignoring this guy?

PFT and buying hours are not the same.

"That is so helpful" is a pretty sassy response to good, nice people trying to help out another flying brother.

Attitude goes a long way in this business. A pilot can be trained to fly, but their attitude is there to stay. Something to think about.

scoot

 

[Buzo]

Don't give up hope, there are still jobs out there. I just started flying the line in a 1900. I had 1075tt and 42 multi when I was hired. I am flying about 6 hours a day with an awesome schedule. I work 10 on, 10 off, and 10 reserve a month. I am getting good actual time and the company has great management and good equipment.

 

[bobbysamd]

New gig

Don't give up hope, there are still jobs out there. I just started flying the line in a 1900. I had 1075tt and 42 multi when I was hired. I am flying about 6 hours a day with an awesome schedule. I work 10 on, 10 off, and 10 reserve a month. I am getting good actual time and the company has great management and good equipment.

Congratulations, Buzo!

I recall it being not all that long ago that you finished your CFI.

 

[Buzo]

Thanks

I took the 1900 checkride 18 months to the day that I took the CFI ride.