How can I log the time?

[midlifeflyer]

Not exactly right - I'll give him 50%...just how I faired...

Which half?

 

[BushwickBill]

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I am, however, getting a headache trying to figure it all out.
A couple points to ponder:
1. Hopefully I didn't give the impression I want to log illegal time. I would never even consider it for even a second. I have way too much of a guilty conscience AND I wouldn't want a potential future employer to second-guess my integrity. I just merely want to know if it can legally be logged.
2. This guy/company has been doing this for quite awhile (many years) with low time pilots. He told me he realizes he is used as a stepping stone and he has no problem at all with it. In fact, he comes across as wanting to benefit low timers as much as himself. So, one might think if it has been going on for years there probably is legitamcy to the co-pilots logging the time then eventually moving on to bigger and better. BUT the flip side is I COULD be the first person to want to delve into deeper and find out the hardcore truth.
His operation in and of itself is quite normal: He's a business man with his own jet needing to conduct business in other states. A very generous and giving person indeed.
I don't even have the job by any means yet either. And just plain old experience is great, but eventually not at the cost of not getting to build the time.
PLEASE don't take me for someone who would complain IF I find out I cannot log the time and turn down the offer. I feel I don't even deserve the experience considering my low time. However, there are also some strings attached such as me having to quit my current job.
Thanks again for all the advice and help.
Hopefully I helped clear up the situation a little bit more.

Is he going to pay you? If so it should be at least a living wage for your area. Also be sure to get the 61.55b endorsement if not the 70% course at FSI. I quit a really lousy flight instruction job to fly part time SIC CE-525 for a small corporate flight department. Around Nov. the flying really dried up with the corporate deal. All of the sudden I wasn't making enough to pay my meger rent and car payment. I was still instructing on the side and thats what bailed me out of a bad situation. I dont miss the crappy flight school but I should have pushed harder for the type rating and better wage. Remember these guys will flush you down the toilet like a turd without so much as a goodbye if you dont have a contract. If you have a good job the jet deal should equal or better your current pay. Sure its turbine time but only SIC. It only goes so far.

 

[HawkerF/O]

If it ever comes up in an interview, just tell them te guy you were flying with did not have the single pilot endorsement. That will put an end to that part of the conversation. Like the others have said, know the systems, or at least a little something about each of them so they dont think you just sat there and warmed the seat.

 

[Tailwind]

Something to consider....

I agree that you don't want to log time that people will regard as you "cheating the system"....even if by the letter of the law you were correct.

My advice is don't log any of it as PIC or SIC....but you can log certain time under "Total Time".

If the PIC has a current MEI, then you could log it under duel received and Total Time.

If you are a Multi/Comm/Inst. rated pilot then you can log all the time you are the sole manipulator of the controls...even if the PIC is NOT an MEI---but, you should log it under "total time" only. NOT PIC or SIC.

When asked about it during an interview, be honest and explain the situation.
Even though your PIC or SIC time is not building, your Total Time is. You also get to talk about your experiance in the Citation and at the same time you don't look like a pilot trying to cheat the system.

Tailwind

 

[81Horse]

What has to be in place in order for me to log the time?

Back in the day, an operator had a contract with the Navy to operate some Chieftains and 402s on a Part 135 semi-scheduled basis. The contract required two pilots, but the FARs did not (autopilot).

Long story short, one of the copilots (i.e., "radio operators") logged all the time as "total time" somehow. When the pilot's logbook was presented to the feds for validation in advance of the ATP, the flag was thrown; all that time was disallowed.

You've still got your ATP in front of you, if I read your profile right. You should be really, really careful how you log your time. This could even be one of those extremely rare occasions when you want to actually ask a fed for an opinion.

Still -- it's great experience for you. Create your own column, and log it -- IMO it would be sketchy to include it in your total time, though. There might be some way to dodge around it on a technicality (dual received, whatever), but it won't look legit.