How about this....

[JoeMerchant]

I'm impressed with the unity and resolve of the UAX pilots group....How about a UAX, DALConnect., and AAA Express bargaining group outside of ALPA.....We will have representatives from each carrier within each brand....We can even have union leadership on each carriers board.....

We can work with ALPA when ALPA wants to work with us....and we can stand up for our own interests when ALPA doesn't want to work with us...It will transcend ALPA/Teamsters/non-union bounderies..

It could be the best of both worlds....ALPA resources when we need them and another group that looks out for our best interests....as is being done with the UAX groups now....They are showing great leadership and unity with that issue...

 

[Turtlesfly]

well RJDC did so well the first time around

 

[JoeMerchant]

well RJDC did so well the first time around

RJDC was a lawsuit against ALPA for DFR issues....This would be working groups across company and union lines that would work together to bargain for the regional pilots within a brand....like the UAX folks are doing now....

 

[Superpilot92]

thats cute

 

[JoeMerchant]

Support is coming in from multiple carriers....

There is now an email address for questions or support....

[email protected]

This is not a decertification move.....It will run in conjunction with ALPA/Teamsters.

 

[Regul8r]

This is not a decertification move.....It will run in conjunction with ALPA/Teamsters.

Whatever you do, don't decertify ALPA! That would put Chunky's ass out to the wolves! How would he make it day to day on a regular line pilot salary?!?

F'em!

 

[DoinTime]

We can work with ALPA when ALPA wants to work with us....and we can stand up for our own interests when ALPA doesn't want to work with us...It will transcend ALPA/Teamsters/non-union bounderies..

It could be the best of both worlds....ALPA resources when we need them and another group that looks out for our best interests....as is being done with the UAX groups now....They are showing great leadership and unity with that issue...

Posted from another current thread:

I don't "incite rebellion" or "foster division"....ALPA does a fine job of that by dividing pilots as "regional" and "mainline".....I just question authority....It is healthy to question authority....

What was it you were saying about not fostering division or inciting rebellion? The formation of inter-Union alliances built for the purpose of combating fellow Union brothers is not, and never will be, categorized as "questioning authority."

 

[Speedtape]

Posted from another current thread:




What was it you were saying about not fostering division or inciting rebellion? The formation of inter-Union alliances built for the purpose of combating fellow Union brothers is not, and never will be, categorized as "questioning authority."

FYI, of what you speak, has been going on behind closed doors at the ALPA legend carriers for years. What's the difference?

 

[flyboyike]

FYI, of what you speak, has been going on behind closed doors at the ALPA legend carriers for years.

Has it worked?

 

[B737 Guy]

Support is coming in from multiple carriers....

There is now an email address for questions or support....

[email protected]

This is not a decertification move.....It will run in conjunction with ALPA/Teamsters.

So please do us all a favor and Leave ALPA if you don't like it.

 

[Speedtape]

So please do us all a favor and Leave ALPA if you don't like it.

......................He's seeking solutions instead of accepting status quo. Maybe, we sometimes don't agree with him, but he makes you think--because he does, and is willing to communicate his thoughts and ideas that could make things better. Maybe, we should all be a little more open-minded. The people at the top sure don't have all the answers!

Besides, from what I remember, they supposedly work for us! Does the tail wag the Dog?

 

[B737 Guy]

......................He's seeking solutions instead of accepting status quo. Maybe, we sometimes don't agree with him, but he makes you think--because he does, and is willing to communicate his thoughts and ideas that could make things better. Maybe, we should all be a little more open-minded. The people at the top sure don't have all the answers!

Besides, from what I remember, they supposedly work for us! Does the tail wag the Dog?

Solutions? YGTBFSM. This is a guy who supposedly belonged to a group that tried to bankrupt OUR union. The only thinking he does is about himself! If you're so admiring of him, why don't you just ask him out.

 

[JoeMerchant]

......................He's seeking solutions instead of accepting status quo. Maybe, we sometimes don't agree with him, but he makes you think--because he does, and is willing to communicate his thoughts and ideas that could make things better. Maybe, we should all be a little more open-minded. The people at the top sure don't have all the answers!

Besides, from what I remember, they supposedly work for us! Does the tail wag the Dog?

Exactly correct.....something needs to change...The status quo isn't working......

This project would be a "watchdog" group of regional pilots to police ALPA.....In other words we can have the best of both worlds. Stay in ALPA and have an independant group that represents the interests of the "little guys"....Kinda like the UAX pilots are doing with the jumpseat....

ALPA takes the regional pilots support for granted....time to change that.....

 

[Speedtape]

Solutions? YGTBFSM. This is a guy who supposedly belonged to a group that tried to bankrupt OUR union. The only thinking he does is about himself! If you're so admiring of him, why don't you just ask him out.

From my observation, His group was not trying to bankrupt OUR union. They were attempting to bring about change and require OUR union to represent all members fairly and to follow their own resolutions and policies--instead of applying them disparately. If the suit had no merit, it would have been thrown out on the many requests by ALPA. For the record, I was not a supporter, but avidly followed the case through the legal course. It was an eye opener.

The only thinking he does is about himself? We are all guilty of that--be honest!

If you are so admiring of him, why don't you just ask him out? First, that is a very juvenile attempt to attack personally, instead of having good discussions/debate. Although I do not agree with some things he puts forth, I do agree with many other things. However, that is also true with my interactions/experiences with most others.

Good discussion/debate can be informative, revealing, insightful, opinion changing, opinion affirming, and last and should be least--entertaining. He does not have all the answers, but certainly, neither do YOU or I. However, I will always defend his right and YOURS to have a different opinion from mine, and even to be able to argue it. The idea is to be informed, and that means listening, hearing, assessing, and processing input and opinions whether I agree or not. That is really the only way for knowledge and understanding to occur and grow!

Of course, on this forum, one has to wade through and filter all the minutia, extraneuos info, and sometimes personal attacks to benefit from any of the ideals previouly discussed. Even this forum, with all it's detriments to valid and truthful information, can still be educational. However, there seems to be an inverse relationship at times between the ideals of education and entertainment/sport.

Someone once said that countries only go to war, when good communication stops. Personal attacks are very shallow, jevenile, indicative of lack of intellectual depth, and not productive. I have been guilty and can be guilty, also.

Having respectful discussions/debates with others who have different opinions is where learning can start. There are opinions and facts and my challenge is to ascertain the difference, process , and affirm or modify my opinion/position. I am all about communicating, as that is where learning can start and knowledge can grow. As I get older, I hope to be wiser and continue to learn. Achieving those goals can never happen if I am not willing to interact with those who may have different opinions and experiences.

As I get older, I discover that I have been wrong many times because of lack of knowlege. Isolating myself physically or mentally from those with different opions would inhibit/prevent me from challenging my own opinions/positions. Perspective and different perspectives are necessary in the learning process and reaching truth.

Thanks for your indulgence.

 

[flyboyike]

The formation of inter-Union alliances built for the purpose of combating fellow Union brothers is not, and never will be, categorized as "questioning authority."

So if a bulldozer driven by a union-member tried to run me over and I try to stop it, does that mean I'm trying to "combat my union brother"?

 

[CFI2766]

Posted from another current thread:




What was it you were saying about not fostering division or inciting rebellion? The formation of inter-Union alliances built for the purpose of combating fellow Union brothers is not, and never will be, categorized as "questioning authority."[/quote]


Wait a minute...

The interests of regional airline pilots don't seem to be in the minds of the guys negotiating the merger at NW/DAL. Also, the interests of the regional guys aren't in the minds of the guys at the Legacies when it's time to discuss 50 seat RJs.

Why is it 'combating union brothers' when a regional pilot is attempting democratically further their positions?

I don't think that you can make a valid argument that ALPA is doing as much for the regional guys as they are for the Legacy guys. Somone prove me wrong here, but I just don't see it.

 

[CFI2766]

Has it worked?

Sure. Why have the mainline MECs allowed there to be so many regionals? I've heard the sentiment from many a mainline guy that the regionals were too expensive, and that costs could be cut by RFP/whipsawing the regionals against each other. Why did the mainline MECs allow this?

 

[JoeMerchant]

So if a bulldozer driven by a union-member tried to run me over and I try to stop it, does that mean I'm trying to "combat my union brother"?

Good question.....You are expected to allow yourself to run over.....You are owned by the bulldozer driver......Time for that to change.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sure. Why have the mainline MECs allowed there to be so many regionals? I've heard the sentiment from many a mainline guy that the regionals were too expensive, and that costs could be cut by RFP/whipsawing the regionals against each other. Why did the mainline MECs allow this?

That is true....There is testimony from the lawsuit that proves that mainline MECs conspired with management to lower regional costs so that there was more money left over for mainline.....

Mainline MECs and management BOTH wanted to lower regional costs.....So much for "brotherhood"......