Horizon training

[dashflyer]

Just curious about Horizons training program. How long is it? Which airplanes do new-hires normally start out in? Do you do all your sim training in SEA? Are you qualified on the q200 and 400 at the same time or do you have to go through training again? How long is indoc? Thanks

 

[QXbuzzard]

Plan on at least 2 months start to finish. When I went through 200 training, indoc was a week, systems 3-4 weeks. Sim sessions are all in SEA. I think that was spread out over 2 weeks or so. IOE was 1 week. Plan on minimum 2-3 trips on IOE. Some go longer. Of course this may be different now. Q200 and Q400 at QX are two different birds. You are on one or the other. If you transition to one or the other is it called differences training and it is a reduced training syllabus than initial. New hires are placed in the equipment with openings at the time. Occasionally if they are hiring in to more than one type, the more senior people in class can choose which one they want. You'll see more classes for the Q400 coming up this winter and next spring probably than the other aircraft. Of course with upgrades, there will be the need to fill positions in all aircraft. Q200 hiring will probably be at a minimum assuming we are losing 9 200's next year. Maybe more.

 

[dashflyer]

How much different is the 400? Do you have to go back in the sim for a session for the differences training? Why can't you switch back and forth between the 200 and 400? Is it a different type rating?

 

[Icelandair]

If you do want to switch between the 200 and 400 there is a gay provision in the contract that would force you to take a major paycut for 2 years just for one week of differences ground school, a few sims, and a week of IOE.

 

[ReverseSensing]

How much different is the 400? Do you have to go back in the sim for a session for the differences training? Why can't you switch back and forth between the 200 and 400? Is it a different type rating?

Company's afraid of tail strikes in the -400 and overtorques in the -200. It is the same type rating, but when I jumpseat on the -400, I'm pretty much lost as to what the hell's going on and where to look for info. But then again, I fell out of the stupid tree and hit all the branches on the way down. YMMV.

 

[dashflyer]

Do you have a different sim for the 200 and 400? How much easier is it to strike the tail on the 400? How much different are the systems between the 200 and the 400? Wouldn't it be easier to cover all that in intial ground school since their all a common type?

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Do you have a different sim for the 200 and 400? How much easier is it to strike the tail on the 400? How much different are the systems between the 200 and the 400? Wouldn't it be easier to cover all that in intial ground school since their all a common type?

There are different sims for the Q200 and Q400. Q400 sim is more modern (wraparound views...very cool). There systems are similar. I think there are a few airlines that have their pilots fly all Dash models. Horizon has chosen to seperate em.

400 can get tail strikes at about 8 degrees pitch. There is a callout at 5 degrees and at 6 degrees. At the 6 degree callout PF has to add power and reduce pitch. 200 tail strikes occur (I think) around 12 degrees or so.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Do you have a different sim for the 200 and 400? How much easier is it to strike the tail on the 400? How much different are the systems between the 200 and the 400? Wouldn't it be easier to cover all that in intial ground school since their all a common type?

Different sim. I'm told (don't know first-hand) that the 400 is flared very little compared to what you can get away with in the 200 because the greater length of the fuselage aft of the MLG makes it easier to tail strike. Never having gone through 400 ground school, I don't know how much different the systems are, but they are somewhat different, and the flight deck instrumentation is a lot different.

Our TP flight standards manager has been trying to write the manuals like they are the same airplane (with lousy results, IMO), but for now, we're all either trained in one or the other.

Sorry about the simultaneous post with the previous poster.

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Our TP flight standards manager has been trying to write the manuals like they are the same airplane (with lousy results, IMO), but for now, we're all either trained in one or the other.

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Definitely lousy results. I don't think hes trying to standardize the 200 to the 400 and vice versa, i think its the dash to the space shuttle

 

[psysicx]

How often do they hire into the RJ?

 

[ReverseSensing]

How often do they hire into the RJ?

Almost every class.