Horizon Air...latest news?

[skipro101]

I was hoping someone on this forum had information concerning the latest news at Horizon Air. I have an interview comming up soon and feel a little weak on the latest happenings at Horizon.

I have perused the company website for the latest press releases and such, but was hoping someone would give me the latest inside gouge.

Anyone want to comment on....

1-Planes...I read somewhere that they are looking to get rid of the Q200s, but the website says that they will be continued to be used for short-haul routes. Anyone know the truth?

2-Growth...Anything planned like major hiring in the near future or perhaps a slowdown?

3- I know about the Frontier deal, and that those planes are "going back to the native network". Does that mean they now have an excess of planes? Are they going to be backups or used for the new LAX route?


4- Anything else going on?



Please, I don't mean to be rude but dont write something if you dont work for Horizon or don't know what your talking about. I have a job riding on this information; so please be considerate.

Thanks a bundle!


PS. If you feel better explaining it on the phone, I would be happy to PM you my number.

 

[machaf]

Here is what my sister said:

Q200's are going bye bye.

CRJ's are doing to do LAX and LAS routes.

Everyone that I know of that got hired lately is in the Q400.

 

[QCappy]

First of all, his sitster doesn't know $hit.

1) We are in the process of leasing 12 Q200's to Commutair. The first one leaves in January. After that it is a bit hazy about when the rest are going to start leaving. Current rumors are April at a rate of one per month. That leaves us with 16 Q200 left after that whole thing. Most of them would then have about 5 years left on their leases from the banks.

2)From what I have heard there will be continuous hiring for a while. I would expect about 100 per year for the next few years due mainly to attrition. You must remember growth at Horizon is VERY slow in terms of more airplanes. Never expect it until the plane shows up painted. Even then they usually end up getting rid of some more. For example it was announced that we are getting 13 more Q400's. Ok, great! Finally growth! Nope. Wrong. A couple months later they announced the Commutair thing. So we end up with a net loss of 3 airplanes......but management calls it growth because it will add 10% more seats to the fleet.

3)No excess of planes. They are going to use them to add to existing Horizon and Alaska routes, to connected existing city pairs that don't have non-stop service, and possibly a new city or two. The first RJs coming back to PDX in January will be used to fly PDX-LAS, PDX-PSP, PDX-SAN, and another PDX-OAK turn.

4)The last two new hire classes were put into the Q200 and Q400. The Q200 new hires will be in PDX, and the Q400s will be in SEA for now. Some may eventually get moved to PDX though.

 

[NWaviator]

I flew on a Q200 yesterday out of PUW. I am going to miss those a/c when they are gone. But they should keep them on that route for a while, only 14/37 seats where filled.

 

[tico]

3)No excess of planes. They are going to use them to add to existing Horizon and Alaska routes, to connected existing city pairs that don't have non-stop service, and possibly a new city or two. The first RJs coming back to PDX in January will be used to fly PDX-LAS, PDX-PSP, PDX-SAN, and another PDX-OAK turn.

Just a slight correction....all of those pdx flts are actually replacing 737's and md's from Alaska...it is called harmonization here at the airgroup

 

[dkwid]

Just a slight correction....all of those pdx flts are actually replacing 737's and md's from Alaska...it is called harmonrezation here at the airgroup[/quote]


untrue, those flights are all additional.

 

[skipro101]

Thanks!

 

[pookie]

Machaf,

Is your sister hot?

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

Just a slight correction....all of those pdx flts are actually replacing 737's and md's from Alaska...it is called harmonization here at the airgroup

...which is resulting in reductions and furloughs at Alaska, right? Right?? Oh, wait...

 

[n25na]

my uncle's brother's mother's sista said 16 200's were leaving, not 12

 

[ReverseSensing]

Just a slight correction....all of those pdx flts are actually replacing 737's and md's from Alaska...it is called harmonrezation here at the airgroup

untrue, those flights are all additional.

Horizon is adding two Portland-Las Vegas roundtrips to Alaska's current schedule of three roundtrips; Horizon is adding one Portland-San Diego roundtrip to Alaska's current schedule of three roundtrips; Portland-Oakland will change from two Horizon roundtrips and three Alaska roundtrips to three of each; and Horizon is adding a Portland-Palm Springs roundtrip to Alaska's current schedule of one roundtrip.

......

 

[QCappy]

my uncle's brother's mother's sista said 16 200's were leaving, not 12

You're uncle's brother's mother's sista is correct. My bad.

 

[tico]

......

Oh you can read and so can I.....Perhaps you have not read that we(Alaska) are having to reduce our presence in some markets to once again attempt to build reliability into our system. And as the MD-80 drawn down rapidly approaches we are going to stop our growth to accomodate a huge training bubble....look for the change in the coming months.....fortunately at least for now you(Horizon) will pick up the slack......I should have clarified my response.....and to the little UND tool that made the furlough comment...grow up son and take your pills...they will help reduce the effects of SJS

 

[QCappy]

Oh you can read and so can I.....Perhaps you have not read that we(Alaska) are having to reduce our presence in some markets to once again attempt to build reliability into our system.

But none of this flying reduces your presence in any market. It is in addition to what Alaska already does. Only one of the changes results in an Alaska flight being eliminated and that one is only flying for three weeks prior to Horizon taking it over. (I can't, off the top of my head, remember which one) So I guess I don't get what you are trying to say relative to these new flights coming. I guess once Alaska starts it's growth....whenever in the next decade that is... they will take those flight times back over from Horizon. Great. That is how it should work.

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

Oh you can read and so can I.....Perhaps you have not read that we(Alaska) are having to reduce our presence in some markets to once again attempt to build reliability into our system. And as the MD-80 drawn down rapidly approaches we are going to stop our growth to accomodate a huge training bubble....look for the change in the coming months.....fortunately at least for now you(Horizon) will pick up the slack......I should have clarified my response.....and to the little UND tool that made the furlough comment...grow up son and take your pills...they will help reduce the effects of SJS

We're both in the same boat. You're losing MDs, but gaining some 800s, which is bringing a net gain of 0 airplanes, maybe even a slight loss (I can't remember the numbers). We're losing 200s, but gaining some 400s, for a net loss of 3 airplanes. Neither company is growing. So we're bringing our RJs back to the native network - BIG DEAL. All the airgroup is doing is redeploying aircraft. No one is gaining or losing flying. They're just playing the shuffle game. Quit acting like a victim, you sound like a freakin' baby.

Oh, and don't call me a UNDie again. It'll end badly.

 

[tico]

We're both in the same boat. You're losing MDs, but gaining some 800s, which is bringing a net gain of 0 airplanes, maybe even a slight loss (I can't remember the numbers). We're losing 200s, but gaining some 400s, for a net loss of 3 airplanes. Neither company is growing. So we're bringing our RJs back to the native network - BIG DEAL. All the airgroup is doing is redeploying aircraft. No one is gaining or losing flying. They're just playing the shuffle game. Quit acting like a victim, you sound like a freakin' baby.

Oh, and don't call me a UNDie again. It'll end badly.

Ok...now take all that anger that you have worked up and direct it at the people that provide you with those drugs that put you on the "Horizon High".....That would be the people that are trying to convince you that performance based pay with profit sharing is a legit way to replace and hourly salary. You guys played the "fee for departure" game with Frontier and when they turned out to be greedy slobs your management team had the cajones to tell them to stick it.....Now you guys grow a set and tell them tol stick it....and take those shiny little new hires out behind the bus shack and make sure that they know who's team they are on......Got it

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Don't worry, nobody but management thinks that OPR is great.

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

Ok...now take all that anger that you have worked up and direct it at the people that provide you with those drugs that put you on the "Horizon High".....That would be the people that are trying to convince you that performance based pay with profit sharing is a legit way to replace and hourly salary. You guys played the "fee for departure" game with Frontier and when they turned out to be greedy slobs your management team had the cajones to tell them to stick it.....Now you guys grow a set and tell them tol stick it....and take those shiny little new hires out behind the bus shack and make sure that they know who's team they are on......Got it

Got it. You know, I'm really glad you're here to state the obvious. If you weren't, I might have just gone and voted on a TA that "migrated to market" because, you know, that's what good kool-aid drinkers like me do.

 

[regionaltard]

That would be the people that are trying to convince you that performance based pay with profit sharing is a legit way to replace and hourly salary.

Uh, would those be the same people who convinced you that an arbitration clause was a good deal in exchange for some temporary pay gains?

Last time I checked, Horizon's not doing too bad in the hourly department. How about youze guys play nice? On behalf of the rest of the industry I'd like to see the last two pilot groups with the chance to work together and get this thing right.....get it right.

 

[PC12Cowboy]

TICO..LOL...SJS is alive and well......lol

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Uh, would those be the same people who convinced you that an arbitration clause was a good deal in exchange for some temporary pay gains?

Last time I checked, Horizon's not doing too bad in the hourly department. How about youze guys play nice? On behalf of the rest of the industry I'd like to see the last two pilot groups with the chance to work together and get this thing right.....get it right.

bumps

 

[BcPilot99]

Machaf,

Is your sister hot?

I flew on them once from Denver on a crj700 and as I was leaving went to the FD just to be that annoying college aviator looking for a job and bout had a heart attack the absolute hottest FO I had ever saw...Brunette, huge fun bags and great body.....I forgot what I was even gonna ask...I think she said she was a UND grad.

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

...and take those shiny little new hires out behind the bus shack and make sure that they know who's team they are on......Got it

absolute hottest FO I had ever saw...Brunette, huge fun bags and great body.....I forgot what I was even gonna ask...I think she said she was a UND grad.

I call dibs on that one!!!

 

[Southbound]

There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge.
Hunter S. Thompson

Hunter for CEO, post humanously! Tico for Enforcer!

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge.
Hunter S. Thompson

Hunter for CEO, post humanously! Tico for Enforcer!

Amen brutha!!