districtpilot said:
I had an interesting experience flying into RWI airport. Washington center had me proceed direct to Jambe NDB(the FAF for ILS 4) and hold as published. The IAF is Belga INT about 6 NM before Jambe on the localizer. The problem is that there is no holding pattern published anywhere, not on any of the approach plates, not on the enroute chart. There used to be an NDB approach into RWI, not any longer. So I say to Washington its not published anywhere, he then has me fly to TYI VOR and hold as published. OK well at least its legal. He finally clears me back direct to Jambe NDB and clears me for the approach. Jambe being the FAF, can he clear me direct to a FAF? Im thinking he was kinda irked by my correction to him and he was being a jerk because it was about a 100 degree turn to intercept the localizer.
Here's the NACO plate:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/05743IL4.PDF
First, you say there's no published holding on the plate. Isn't that thing at BELGA a holding pattern? I'm not being a smart ass, I'm serious. I know its purpose is for course reversal instead of a procedure turn, but it sure looks like I could clear someone to BELGA, hold SW as published. Anyone know any reason why that couldn't be done?
Regardless, the controller didn't clear you to BELGA, he said JAMBE. Obviously wrong, and you called him on it. Good. So on you go to TYI and hold. I have questions again. Coming from TYI direct JAMBE looks like a lot more than a 100 degree turn to final, more like 175. Wouldn't you go outbound on the localizer, reverse course in the holding pattern, and proceed inbound on the approach?
Of course, were it me, and you were holding at TYI, I'd have cleared you for the approach via the TYI R227 to BELGA. Got a nice MEA on it and everything.
As far as clearing you for the approach from over the FAF, that's wrong. My book says this:
4-8-1. APPROACH CLEARANCE
a. Clear aircraft for "standard" or "special" instrument approach procedures only. To require an aircraft to execute a particular instrument approach procedure, specify in the approach clearance the name of the approach as published on the approach chart. Where more than one procedure is published on a single chart and a specific procedure is to be flown, amend the approach clearance to specify execution of the specific approach to be flown. If only one instrument approach of a particular type is published, the approach needs not be identified by the runway reference. An aircraft conducting an ILS/MLS approach when the glideslope/glidepath is reported out of service shall be advised at the time an approach clearance is issued.
Standard Instrument Approach Procedures shall commence at an Initial Approach Fix or an Intermediate Approach Fix if there is not an Initial Approach Fix. Area Navigation (RNAV) Standard Instrument Approach Procedures may begin at an Intermediate Approach Fix for aircraft that have filed an Advanced RNAV equipment suffix when the conditions of subpara
b4 are met. Where adequate radar coverage exists, radar facilities may vector aircraft to the final approach course in accordance with para
5-9-1, Vectors to Final Approach Course.
I hope this helps some, and we'll surely get more discussion.