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Hey guys,
Just so those of you who dont have 3000hrs are not discouraged. I was interviewed in Oct 02 and hired in Dec. 02 with 1200tt . Yes my resume was walked in by someone, but it is not impossible. My class as well as the last class hired had several flight instructors with zero 121 time. Yes, it is likely that they will hire 121 experienced pilots in the majority, but not 100 percent of each class.
We have a pretty young pilot group at ASA, and the mojority that I have flown with had zero 121 experience prior to ASA.
There are plenty of 3000tt pilots on the streets trying to get a job, but that was the case when I was hired a year ago.
Those with less that 3000hrs do have a small chance of getting into ASA.
Good luck
Medeco
Hey guys,
Just so those of you who dont have 3000hrs are not discouraged. I was interviewed in Oct 02 and hired in Dec. 02 with 1200tt . Yes my resume was walked in by someone, but it is not impossible. My class as well as the last class hired had several flight instructors with zero 121 time. Yes, it is likely that they will hire 121 experienced pilots in the majority, but not 100 percent of each class.
We have a pretty young pilot group at ASA, and the mojority that I have flown with had zero 121 experience prior to ASA.
There are plenty of 3000tt pilots on the streets trying to get a job, but that was the case when I was hired a year ago.
Those with less that 3000hrs do have a small chance of getting into ASA.
Good luck
Medeco
UPGRADE TIMES
Upgrade times are almost impossible to predict. I'd say for someone hired today, you're probably looking at 5 years. It could be more, could be less...all depends on growth and attrition. We've had very little of either, so upgrade times are shooting up pretty quick. Right now, the junior captain has been here for 3.5 years. Unless we announce some major growth, I'd expect to see upgrades running 4-6 years. Hopefully I'm wrong on this one.
Upgrade times are almost impossible to predict. I'd say for someone hired today, you're probably looking at 5 years. It could be more, could be less...all depends on growth and attrition. We've had very little of either, so upgrade times are shooting up pretty quick. Right now, the junior captain has been here for 3.5 years. Unless we announce some major growth, I'd expect to see upgrades running 4-6 years. Hopefully I'm wrong on this one.
>>UPGRADE TIMES
Upgrade times are almost impossible to predict. I'd say for someone hired today, you're probably looking at 5 years. It could be more, could be less...all depends on growth and attrition. We've had very little of either, so upgrade times are shooting up pretty quick. Right now, the junior captain has been here for 3.5 years. Unless we announce some major growth, I'd expect to see upgrades running 4-6 years. Hopefully I'm wrong on this one.<<
If things stay the same, it will be a LONG time. F/Os that have been here two years that are back on reserve now. If we started having upgrade classes of 10 a month it would be over 2 years before they made captain. Depending on how long before we START upgrading, I figure at least 5 years for them, or 7 years as F/Os.
Upgrade times are almost impossible to predict. I'd say for someone hired today, you're probably looking at 5 years. It could be more, could be less...all depends on growth and attrition. We've had very little of either, so upgrade times are shooting up pretty quick. Right now, the junior captain has been here for 3.5 years. Unless we announce some major growth, I'd expect to see upgrades running 4-6 years. Hopefully I'm wrong on this one.<<
If things stay the same, it will be a LONG time. F/Os that have been here two years that are back on reserve now. If we started having upgrade classes of 10 a month it would be over 2 years before they made captain. Depending on how long before we START upgrading, I figure at least 5 years for them, or 7 years as F/Os.
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Rythm3 said:
I was hired into the 700 over a year ago and am still on reserve. Upgrades will be a long time for any new hire......alot of people have been pushed backwards because of the 120s being parked.
BTW, during recurrent recently, Mike from Crew Planning came in and said that the number would be more towards 120, not 150, because we are currently 30 overstaffed.
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Dont Worry!
AFELLODOOD- We are more than likley NOT getting those additional 70 seaters. They are slated to go to Comair and will go to Comair. Watch and see as the last thing we need is to take delivery of some of Comairs aircraft. We dont need any more strife amongst the ranks. We wouldn't want you to take our deliveries, so we shouldn't think of taking yours as well.
New Hires:
We will get our 15-70 seaters which will open up 73 Cpt slots on the 70. These will come from 50 seat Cpts and some FO's. The aircraft will also require an additional 75 FO solts (150 total). Some of those slots will have to be replaced. But bottom line is the FO's will move up the ladder next year as there will be 75 of them moving to the left seat. All those on reserves now will be off of reserves, and all of the new hires will be the new reserve cache'. We will need arround 120 new hires starting in Apr/May time frame (to have them avail by Jul/Aug time frame and complete the last of them by Dec for the final deliveries [approx 20/mo]). Also, we will be hiring a certain percentage of furloughed Delta guys. I have no clue of how many, but I hope we pick up as many as possible. Sorry, but it is best to keep it in the family.
Although, based on the 200 in ATL, I am also on last months finals for the 70 in DFW. Still waiting for a class date. BM says maybe first week in Dec, but who knows. As far as the routes that the 15 new 70 seaters in DFW will do, I am also wondering the same thing. A recent article (on the ASA site) noted that the 70 seater was taking more and more mainline routes that can not sustain a mainline aircraft. My GUESS is that we will be taking most of the mainline routes still left in DFW or that were in DFW until mainline can again sustain the routes. This will be much cheaper to compete with AMR in this area. I can also see maybe Long Beach, LAX, San Diego, LAS, SAC, SFO etc. flying and taking back the Eagle code on the west coast. Additionally, flying up and down the west coast from SEA to LAX, etc. We would be a cheap way for Delta to expand in that area of the US. CARNAC says I could be right!
AFELLODOOD- We are more than likley NOT getting those additional 70 seaters. They are slated to go to Comair and will go to Comair. Watch and see as the last thing we need is to take delivery of some of Comairs aircraft. We dont need any more strife amongst the ranks. We wouldn't want you to take our deliveries, so we shouldn't think of taking yours as well.
New Hires:
We will get our 15-70 seaters which will open up 73 Cpt slots on the 70. These will come from 50 seat Cpts and some FO's. The aircraft will also require an additional 75 FO solts (150 total). Some of those slots will have to be replaced. But bottom line is the FO's will move up the ladder next year as there will be 75 of them moving to the left seat. All those on reserves now will be off of reserves, and all of the new hires will be the new reserve cache'. We will need arround 120 new hires starting in Apr/May time frame (to have them avail by Jul/Aug time frame and complete the last of them by Dec for the final deliveries [approx 20/mo]). Also, we will be hiring a certain percentage of furloughed Delta guys. I have no clue of how many, but I hope we pick up as many as possible. Sorry, but it is best to keep it in the family.
Although, based on the 200 in ATL, I am also on last months finals for the 70 in DFW. Still waiting for a class date. BM says maybe first week in Dec, but who knows. As far as the routes that the 15 new 70 seaters in DFW will do, I am also wondering the same thing. A recent article (on the ASA site) noted that the 70 seater was taking more and more mainline routes that can not sustain a mainline aircraft. My GUESS is that we will be taking most of the mainline routes still left in DFW or that were in DFW until mainline can again sustain the routes. This will be much cheaper to compete with AMR in this area. I can also see maybe Long Beach, LAX, San Diego, LAS, SAC, SFO etc. flying and taking back the Eagle code on the west coast. Additionally, flying up and down the west coast from SEA to LAX, etc. We would be a cheap way for Delta to expand in that area of the US. CARNAC says I could be right!
AFELLOWAVIATOR,
Your post doesn't make much sense to me. I don't see ASA pilots doing anything that would "under cut" you guys. Our rates are slightly less than yours right now, but that alone wouldn't warrant sending those 8 700's to ASA. I stand by my statement that I would have no problem seeing those 8 a/c show up at ASA. How many pilots has Comair hired this year while ASA has shrunk(and dozens of Captains have been downgraded)? I have yet to see a single CMR pilot demanding that ASA get more growth. The point is, ASA pilots (or CMR for that matter)have nothing to do with deciding who gets what aircraft. When was the last time Fred Butrell came to ASA or CMR pilots to ask who should get what flying? Never has happened, never will.
As far as CMR not taking concessions, I don't think the overwhelming reason you guys voted no on concessions was to help ASA. You need to watch out for your own family before worrying about mine. Don't get me wrong, I think you guys showed some major balls not giving in. However, the question becomes what are the consequences? If you're a senior captain at CMR, growth probably isn't as big of a priority. But for those guys on the bottom of the list, growth is a major priority. I don't care how good your contract is, a 2 year Captain at Chautauqua is going to make more (and have better QOL)than a 5 year ASA/CMR FO. Like it or not, that is something to consider when looking at this. I'm not saying you guys should gut the whole contract, but you've gotta be able to change with the times. With so many companies out there bidding for this flying, DAL would be stupid to pay more for this flying than is needed.
If you make a judgement of the whole ASA pilot group based on one person's opinion on flightinfo.com, you need a reality check. I am in no shape or form a spokeperson for the ASA pilot group. I'm just offering my take on this situation. I may be wrong, I may be right. Time will tell.
Your post doesn't make much sense to me. I don't see ASA pilots doing anything that would "under cut" you guys. Our rates are slightly less than yours right now, but that alone wouldn't warrant sending those 8 700's to ASA. I stand by my statement that I would have no problem seeing those 8 a/c show up at ASA. How many pilots has Comair hired this year while ASA has shrunk(and dozens of Captains have been downgraded)? I have yet to see a single CMR pilot demanding that ASA get more growth. The point is, ASA pilots (or CMR for that matter)have nothing to do with deciding who gets what aircraft. When was the last time Fred Butrell came to ASA or CMR pilots to ask who should get what flying? Never has happened, never will.
As far as CMR not taking concessions, I don't think the overwhelming reason you guys voted no on concessions was to help ASA. You need to watch out for your own family before worrying about mine. Don't get me wrong, I think you guys showed some major balls not giving in. However, the question becomes what are the consequences? If you're a senior captain at CMR, growth probably isn't as big of a priority. But for those guys on the bottom of the list, growth is a major priority. I don't care how good your contract is, a 2 year Captain at Chautauqua is going to make more (and have better QOL)than a 5 year ASA/CMR FO. Like it or not, that is something to consider when looking at this. I'm not saying you guys should gut the whole contract, but you've gotta be able to change with the times. With so many companies out there bidding for this flying, DAL would be stupid to pay more for this flying than is needed.
If you make a judgement of the whole ASA pilot group based on one person's opinion on flightinfo.com, you need a reality check. I am in no shape or form a spokeperson for the ASA pilot group. I'm just offering my take on this situation. I may be wrong, I may be right. Time will tell.
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e120pilot wrote, "As far as CMR not taking concessions, I don't think the overwhelming reason you guys voted no on concessions was to help ASA."
Actually, that was the primary reason we nixed concessions. Every pilot I have talked about this with understands the ramifications of wage and benefit give backs. Not only would we be cutting our salaries, but we would be setting off a chain reaction for EVERY other worker within the company and the industry. Isn't that why everyone is so mad at Mesa?
Sure enough, once talks with the pilots fell through (for the time being), the company ended talks with the flight attendants. See the Delta Connection here?
When the Delta pilots signed their contract in 2001 it represented only a slight premium over other airlines' contract rates, most notably United. But now that so many legacy carriers have taken signficant paycuts, Delta management comes sniffing around with whopping pay cuts on their greedy little minds.
We are all in this together.
Actually, that was the primary reason we nixed concessions. Every pilot I have talked about this with understands the ramifications of wage and benefit give backs. Not only would we be cutting our salaries, but we would be setting off a chain reaction for EVERY other worker within the company and the industry. Isn't that why everyone is so mad at Mesa?
Sure enough, once talks with the pilots fell through (for the time being), the company ended talks with the flight attendants. See the Delta Connection here?
When the Delta pilots signed their contract in 2001 it represented only a slight premium over other airlines' contract rates, most notably United. But now that so many legacy carriers have taken signficant paycuts, Delta management comes sniffing around with whopping pay cuts on their greedy little minds.
We are all in this together.
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Yes, we are all in this together. It was not easy for the Comair pilots to take this stand on principle. In fact, several versions of a recall battle have surfaced that threaten their ALPA Status Reps and even the Group B EVP.
But, pilot wages really do not make a very significant difference at our level, because, like it or not, our wages are not very significant to begin with. Delta says they are looking for an 8 million cost reduction - that is less than 1% of the $1,000,000,000.00 more Delta pays their pilots than American pays theirs.
Comair's and ASA's rates are not significantly different at the current time. ASA's management says our rates are uncertain because we are in bargaining, but I can assure you our pilot group is not giving anything up.
ASA's growth continues to be constrained by two factors. First, the CRJ700 limit negotiated by ALPA for the Delta pilots and Second, ramp space in Atlanta.
As ATL mainline operations start coming back (a very good thing) some of the short term leases on gates used by ASA have to be returned to mainline. Last year it was disappearing E120's, in 2004 we can look forward to disappearing parking spaces and longer days as airplanes are scheduled to keep them out of ATL.
Good luck to all, but if I were in the pool I think I would try for Skywest or another airline with better growth potential.
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But, pilot wages really do not make a very significant difference at our level, because, like it or not, our wages are not very significant to begin with. Delta says they are looking for an 8 million cost reduction - that is less than 1% of the $1,000,000,000.00 more Delta pays their pilots than American pays theirs.
Comair's and ASA's rates are not significantly different at the current time. ASA's management says our rates are uncertain because we are in bargaining, but I can assure you our pilot group is not giving anything up.
ASA's growth continues to be constrained by two factors. First, the CRJ700 limit negotiated by ALPA for the Delta pilots and Second, ramp space in Atlanta.
As ATL mainline operations start coming back (a very good thing) some of the short term leases on gates used by ASA have to be returned to mainline. Last year it was disappearing E120's, in 2004 we can look forward to disappearing parking spaces and longer days as airplanes are scheduled to keep them out of ATL.
Good luck to all, but if I were in the pool I think I would try for Skywest or another airline with better growth potential.
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Hey, just found this place from a friend. I am a graduating senior from Purdue University. I will be heading down to Atlanta this summer for an internship somewhere in flight ops. Do you guys know any of the interns around, I am sure they enjoy the job, and do you guys know of any hiring benefits afterwards? Its exciting to hear you guys talk of hiring again. I know I am the last man on the totem pole, but I kid can dream can't he.
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Hey, just found this place from a friend. I am a graduating senior from Purdue University. I will be heading down to Atlanta this summer for an internship somewhere in flight ops. Do you guys know any of the interns around, I am sure they enjoy the job, and do you guys know of any hiring benefits afterwards? Its exciting to hear you guys talk of hiring again. I know I am the last man on the totem pole, but I kid can dream can't he.
~commanchepilot
Those are the questions you should have asked before you took the internship.
I had quite a few interns in my newhire class a few years ago. They were all good people, and all made it through training. They all had real low time, but you get an interview if you complete the internship.
You will get the chance to sit through ground school on some of our aircraft, and also get some sim time, so there is no excuse for not passing the interview. PM RJCapt, a bunch of interns live in his crash pad, maybe he can get your questions answered.
I had quite a few interns in my newhire class a few years ago. They were all good people, and all made it through training. They all had real low time, but you get an interview if you complete the internship.
You will get the chance to sit through ground school on some of our aircraft, and also get some sim time, so there is no excuse for not passing the interview. PM RJCapt, a bunch of interns live in his crash pad, maybe he can get your questions answered.
Here is some not so great news from an ASA IP in the crew lounge. ASA is about to cut the number of IP's in half. He also said they are looking to furlough 200 pilots.
I don't know this guy, and it was from the crew lounge, but it could just be a company ploy to pressure us on concessions.
If they are going to get rid of IP's, then they will probably not be hiring anytime soon.
I don't know this guy, and it was from the crew lounge, but it could just be a company ploy to pressure us on concessions.
If they are going to get rid of IP's, then they will probably not be hiring anytime soon.
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>>Here is some not so great news from an ASA IP in the crew lounge. ASA is about to cut the number of IP's in half. He also said they are looking to furlough 200 pilots. <<
I would not doubt that they are going to cut the IPs in half. They are way overstaffed now that the EMB transitions are over. We were slightly fat before, and now we have twice as many because most of the EMB IPs switched over. I knew something was going on when I actually saw an IP doing a really short nap the other night. (maybe a former IP now??) These guys to get pick their trips, and they dont pick naps!
Sounds like you heard a disgruntled, soon to be former IP, mouthing off.
I would not doubt that they are going to cut the IPs in half. They are way overstaffed now that the EMB transitions are over. We were slightly fat before, and now we have twice as many because most of the EMB IPs switched over. I knew something was going on when I actually saw an IP doing a really short nap the other night. (maybe a former IP now??) These guys to get pick their trips, and they dont pick naps!
Sounds like you heard a disgruntled, soon to be former IP, mouthing off.
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