Hey CRJ guys....

[OPECJet]

I was in the back of one a couple of weeks ago where the crew left the gear down for about 10 min after takeoff. They announced beforehand they were going to do this, but didn't say why other than "standard procedure". Obviously it isn't, so I'm wondering what was MEL'd to require that.

I'd have asked the crew, but they were running behind already and didn't need the interruption.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Probably overheated brakes.

 

[PunchTheClown]

. . . .

 

[HoserASA]

I was in the back of one a couple of weeks ago where the crew left the gear down for about 10 min after takeoff. They announced beforehand they were going to do this, but didn't say why other than "standard procedure". Obviously it isn't, so I'm wondering what was MEL'd to require that.

I'd have asked the crew, but they were running behind already and didn't need the interruption.

The gear bay overheat system was deferred, and that's the procedure for it.

Hoser

 

[PunchTheClown]

Probably overheated brakes.

Then they busted limitations and FARS because one of the lims on the before takeoff check is "BTMS green and not increasing."

 

[HoserASA]

Then they busted limitations and FARS because one of the lims on the before takeoff check is "BTMS green and not increasing."

No, you're wrong. If the gear overheat system is deferred, you are required by the MEL to leave the gear down for 10 minutes after takeoff. I know, I've done it, and I currently fly the CRJ. That's what the MEL states at ASA which is approved by the FAA. So, stop with the 'blame the pilots' crap willya.

Hoser

 

[PunchTheClown]

Ah yes, your correct. DOH!! I wasnt trying to "blame the pilots", I just didnt think about all the possibilities before I posted. But my response was to the post of "probably overheated brakes", which to my knowledge and under our rules we cannot takeoff with overheated brakes.

 

[HoserASA]

Ah yes, your correct. DOH!! I wasnt trying to "blame the pilots", I just didnt think about all the possibilities before I posted. But my response was to the post of "probably overheated brakes", which to my knowledge and under our rules we cannot takeoff with overheated brakes.

Thanks man, appreciate it.

Hoser

 

[regionalcap]

Hoser,
He was referring to the previous post and not your post. Look at what he quoted.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Hope they remembered to slow to 200 kts before retracting the gear.

 

[socrates1]

When I had to do it at ASA because of the MLG overheat detection system deferred, I remember the MEL limiting the airspeed to 200 kts for 10 mins. After that, gear up and press on. "I have heard" of pilots flying at 250 kts and then remembering to slow to 200 kts before retracting the the gear, and then pressing on.

 

[CitationLover]

I was in the back of one a couple of weeks ago where the crew left the gear down for about 10 min after takeoff. They announced beforehand they were going to do this, but didn't say why other than "standard procedure". Obviously it isn't, so I'm wondering what was MEL'd to require that.

I'd have asked the crew, but they were running behind already and didn't need the interruption.

perhaps they were burning gas to make landing weight and allowed some extra people to go.

 

[sweptback]

perhaps they were burning gas to make landing weight and allowed some extra people to go.

Uh, no.

 

[Sppedmode]

HoserASA is right...its an MEL for the main landing gear fire loop. Just remember 200 kts...or....ding ding ding..."NOSE DOOR...NOSE DOOR"!!!

 

[BoilerUP]

Hope they remembered to slow to 200 kts before retracting the gear.

ZNY gets pissed when you are climbing at 200kts...

 

[OPECJet]

Nah, it had the be the MLG overheat thingy. Only 3 people on the airplane.

Thanks for the replies. I figured it was something like that, but since I don't fly the CRJ, I have no knowledge of the systems and my curiosity was getting me.

 

[Flyingfool77]

No, you're wrong. If the gear overheat system is deferred, you are required by the MEL to leave the gear down for 10 minutes after takeoff. I know, I've done it, and I currently fly the CRJ. That's what the MEL states at ASA which is approved by the FAA. So, stop with the 'blame the pilots' crap willya.

Hoser

He's right. I've done it too and the MEL also requires you to stay out of icing conditions while the gear stays down.

 

[405]

ZNY gets pissed when you are climbing at 200kts...

So what. Let ZNY get pissed. They get paid to deal with it.

 

[dojetdriver]

So what happens to all your 2nd through 4th segment climb performance data and max take off weight when performing this procedure? All that suff is based on the gear in transit/up.

Just curious.

 

[727RedTails]

By the way "Punchtheclown", the BTMS does not have to be green, just decreasing and below either 5 or 6, I can't remember exactly, it's been a little while since my CRJ days.

 

[atrdriver]

So what happens to all your 2nd through 4th segment climb performance data and max take off weight when performing this procedure? All that suff is based on the gear in transit/up.

Just curious.

If you pop one then it an emergency and you pull the gear up.

 

[jws717]

HoserASA is right...its an MEL for the main landing gear fire loop. Just remember 200 kts...or....ding ding ding..."NOSE DOOR...NOSE DOOR"!!!

MORE LIKE DING DING DING, Gear Disagree. Tossing on the extra pumps also help the gear come up a little better.

 

[sweptback]

So what happens to all your 2nd through 4th segment climb performance data and max take off weight when performing this procedure? All that suff is based on the gear in transit/up.

You call your dispatcher and have them give you gear down performance data.