Here's my prediction

[LizardEyes]

Walk the Walk

Ricci can sell ice to eskimos. So he can talk the talk all day long, I am waiting for him to walk the walk. Let's wrap up this TA. This week's negotiations were not very productive. Ken, don't piss away the goodwill you were just beginning to build.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I am waiting for the next negotiation report to come out as I am sure many of us are to see where we stand.

And so we wait. And wait. And wait.

I'm disappointed that our union leadership has not communicated with the membership on status of negotiations in weeks. Our MEC Chairman told us we would be recieving a negotiating report last week. Direct requests have been made, and still nothing.

 

[TurboHonda]

We can come up with doomsday scenarios all day long but what's the point. Since you started the thread I'll throw in my thoughts...

Ricci NEEDED to give us some cookies otherwise I don't think any of the pilots wouild listen to anything he had to say. We have all been so beaten down by management that he had to make some pretty big changes pretty quick to get our attention. He has my attention.

I don't think your scenario makes sense and here is why...Ricci has gone public in a big way talking about how new management is comitted to working with the pilots. The recent press release talked about 'unprecedented cooperation'. Ricci stalls the negotiation and he will be smeared all over every major business aviation publication. Maybe he doesn't care, but I think image is a BIG thing to him.

But as I have said since his return - Anything can happen tomorrow. We are definitely NOT out of the woods.

Cookies? What better cookies than the ones he had just stolen? Almost 6 dozen of them.

What I’m saying is the egotistical little man believes that hearts and minds are being won with just his presence. If negotiations should stall, he’ll put the typical Ricci spin on it. “It’s not me. It’s the union.”

Then he’ll tell us about how he compares a union to an unnecessary mediator in his marriage. Guess who’s the wife and who’s the husband in this make believe picture.

So, even if we’re released to self help, would we have the support to pursue it? He’s betting we don’t. After all, he conned the RTA pilots. It worked then. It’ll work again.

This is just a prediction. It’s not based on anything other than history trying to repeat itself.

 

[993_Pilot]

...So, even if we’re released to self help, would we have the support to pursue it? He’s betting we don’t. After all, he conned the RTA pilots. It worked then. It’ll work again...

As the saying goes, "F me once, shame on you, F me twice, shame on Me!" There is no way it will work on everyone, and this company can't stand for even a quarter of the pilots to walk out. It would financially wreck us in short order. I don't think H.I.G. would let that happen... in fact I suspect that Kenn would be shown the door again if he tried that.

I would be the stalling is probably related to putting the final details on the acquisition that he discussed.
It would be easier for him if that was done before a CBA was finalized.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Since I apparently posted this in the middle of YET another B19/NJW thread hijack, I'll try here (for anyone not caught up in Ricci's Fairyland):

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice Of Reason
Is it possible to craft a scope that will survive through:
- a company that has a bigger (and anti-union) group of pilots acquires or is acquired by Flops?
- a company that has a bigger (DIFFERENT union) pilot group that acquires or is acquired by Flops (and may staple...what if THEY have an iron clad scope clause)?
-Flops selling off the operation in parts
-Flops turning the operation into something other than fractional (charter, lease, managed, new variation of operating not yet named that KR will again "invent")?
-Contract pilots flooding the operation
????
Just a few things to think about


Quote: Originally Posted by Voice Of Reason :
>>>BTW...How many pilots does XO Jet have? Anyone? Don't be surprised if it's a Flops2 started to again bust the union and eventually phase out the Flops name that's been sullied....I hear they're paid and treated pretty well
...Sound familiar?
(Flops of years gone by)>>>

 

[jetwash]

I would be the stalling is probably related to putting the final details on the acquisition that he discussed.
It would be easier for him if that was done before a CBA was finalized.

Or he could just be busy working on the details for the company picnic on labor day!!!!!

 

[skyismyoffice]

And so we wait. And wait. And wait.

I'm disappointed that our union leadership has not communicated with the membership on status of negotiations in weeks. Our MEC Chairman told us we would be recieving a negotiating report last week. Direct requests have been made, and still nothing.

Leadership has previously said that no news is good news. Many times they can't comment on negotiations because to do so might jeopardize things that are close to being agreed upon. I'm hoping this is the case.

 

[1folinepilot]

Cookies? What better cookies than the ones he had just stolen? Almost 6 dozen of them.

What I’m saying is the egotistical little man believes that hearts and minds are being won with just his presence. If negotiations should stall, he’ll put the typical Ricci spin on it. “It’s not me. It’s the union.”

Then he’ll tell us about how he compares a union to an unnecessary mediator in his marriage. Guess who’s the wife and who’s the husband in this make believe picture.

So, even if we’re released to self help, would we have the support to pursue it? He’s betting we don’t. After all, he conned the RTA pilots. It worked then. It’ll work again.

This is just a prediction. It’s not based on anything other than history trying to repeat itself.

This time the "wife" has a thick 12" strap on and is ready to play ball!

Looks like the "husband" has two choices here, 1, honor his word on wages, contract and respect and everybody moves happily on to sustained profitabillity and growth, or 2, bend over and take it like he deserves!

It's contract time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO_MYxRYdoE

 

[B19 Flyer]

Ricci was on the premises when the RIFs occurred. Does anyone really think he had no control over it? :laugh:

Now Sheeringa is gone. Bad Michael. Michael is gone, but his policy remains.

Ricci arrives with his phony assed toothy grin. He throws some food at the pilots and hires back the 70 that he helped fire. I haven’t forgotten the 128 non pilots. But, management and support was top heavy and needed to be trimmed anyway.

Now Ricci is personally negotiating in good faith. Well, maybe.

Ricci will eventually reach a stalling point in negotiations. The mediator will release us to self help.

A strike will never happen. Between the kool-aid crowd, the crew meal fat bodies, and those just happy to have a job (or their job back), we’ll return to the days of the CULTure.

Are we smart enough to see through what’s happening? I don’t think so.

Prove me wrong. Please!!

Hard for me to admit, but this is one of the few posts that hit the nail on the head.

For the most part, the union mob isn't smart enough, but I've said it all along that the 70 were nothing more than negotiating chips.

It's all part of the game. Over two years ago I wrote there would be at least three years of turmoil. Almost there...

All the problems that you guys are complaining about won't get fixed with a CBA. The only thing that be eased at all will be the payroll and work rules.

All the rest of the stuff will still be there, but there will be a lot less money to "fix" those items.
You will get what you asked for.

And be ready to do it all over again in 36 months.

 

[993_Pilot]

Or he could just be busy working on the details for the company picnic on labor day!!!!!

I was talking about last week, and do you really think the details of a picnic warrant a weeks worth of his time?

...I haven’t forgotten the 128 non pilots. But, management and support was top heavy and needed to be trimmed anyway...

Hard for me to admit, but this is one of the few posts that hit the nail on the head...

Wow B19, after all your posts about the 128, you admit that some needed to be trimmed from the payroll anyways?