Here's a question?

[FR8AINTGR8]

What if someone goes somewhere like Great Lakes, Mesa, hell, or even AirTran for instance..........realizes during ground school they don't like it and quit(leave). You've made it up to systems so you've passed your indoc, and your oral, but technically your not hired by the company until after your checkride? Question #1 - Do you put them down as an employer? Question #2 - Your not employed, does this go on your PRIA where future employers will be WTF, if you mentioned nothing of this in your application?

 

[C425Driver]

"but technically your not hired by the company until after your checkride?"

That depends. If you start receiving a paycheck effective day 1 of employment, then you are an employee from day 1. Most airlines operate that way today.

The only way I know of that you are not considered an employee is if you pft and/or you are not paid during your training.

"Question #1 - Do you put them down as an employer?"

On your background check, you will be required to account for any gaps in employment of 30 days or more. By the time you pass the oral, you will probably be there more than 30 days. I don't think anyone would buy the idea that you were in training at XYZ airline but you didn't work there.

"Question #2 - Your not employed, does this go on your PRIA where future employers will be WTF, if you mentioned nothing of this in your application?"

Your training record will indicate that you were there, but did not complete training (or something like that). It is not a pass or fail, just incomplete.


I know two people who witheld information from their background checks but their employers discovered their lies (in both cases, they were outright lies). Both of them were fired on the spot. Now they have something else to explain on their background checks. BTW, one of them went from being a new hire at CAL to a part-time flight instructor because he lied on his background check.

If you leave a job during training, offer a credible and reasonable explanation and it probably won't come back to haunt you. I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes telling the truth actually works.


C425Driver

 

[FR8AINTGR8]

I wasn't on the payroll during training, nor was I PFT. Since this is a situation I've run into, I WAS told by the company that I WAS NOT an employee, the day I left. They said my PRIA would remain intact, whatever that means, but that I was never employed by them. They used the term, "conditional offer of employment," which was conditional upon me completing training. By no means am I trying to lie, I'm just trying say what I need to say, period. This does draw an interesting question though....

 

[vclean]

You were an employee if issued an id card with an employee number.

 

[C425Driver]

I wasn't on the payroll during training, nor was I PFT. Since this is a situation I've run into, I WAS told by the company that I WAS NOT an employee, the day I left. They said my PRIA would remain intact, whatever that means, but that I was never employed by them. They used the term, "conditional offer of employment," which was conditional upon me completing training. By no means am I trying to lie, I'm just trying say what I need to say, period. This does draw an interesting question though....

Looks like you answered most of your questions right there. Although you were not an employee, you have a record for PRIA. If you need to offer an explanation as to why you left training early, just say it was for personal reasons - not a lie. BTW, in my previous post I did not mean to imply that you would lie. I was citing two people that I know who did lie and they lost their jobs for it.

You will have to account for your period of unemployment on future background checks. Combine that with your PRIA and your future employer will find out that you've been there. It's better to not hold back information that could later haunt you.

Just curious, do you have another job now?

Good luck!

C425Driver

 

[canadflyau]

Sounds like you were at Lakes... nope you are not an employee until you pass your checkride. Do they have to keep PRIA on the volunteer work you did until the checkride? don't know... but the 10 year background check for your next attempt will need to account for the time as something, so I think that will cause you to put Lakes down. So, I agree with C425driver 100%

 

[FR8AINTGR8]

The problem I'm having "internally" is that, for the background check, the 30 days isn't a problem, because, believe it or not, I worked during training. The weekends we had off, I worked during the day, and studied in the evenings, so even though I wasn't employed, I still had another employer to verify my whereabouts. No I didn't have an employee badge with a number, once again, not given out until AFTER the checkride. I'm curious about the PRIA's though, all my past employers, obviously have some sort of information that they will send my future, possible employers, because of the PRIA forms. But what does the PRIA contain? If it only contains information from companies you list, and have info sent on, or is just a GIANT LIST of all the stuff on you, and your future employer just gets like 3 copies of the exact same thing from say 3 different employers, just for verification. The PRIA disclosure forms specifically say, "prior or previous employers," hence my wondering. I just hope this doesn't haunt me, I thought I had it all figured out, just trying to do the right thing, but I don't want to hurt my chances either.

 

[upndsky]

Why not explain the situation to the airline/company who is hiring you and let them decide how to proceed. One way or another, it's going to come out during the interview that you spent some time in a training course and did not complete it. Just have a plausible reason for not finishing. I think you're making this a bigger issue than it is.

 

[C425Driver]

http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/pria/


Here's a link to the FAA website on PRIA info. On the web page there's a link to the Advisory Circular for PRIA. I didn't read all of it - it's 36 pages long, but hopefully you can get some answers there.

Hope that helps.

C425Driver

 

[English]

Here's a story that might help you make up your mind.

There was a recent new-hire at American Eagle who was fired after completing training because he did not disclose a previous employer. He was in ground school with Pinnacle but, for whatever reason, left. His explanation was that Pinnacle didn't consider one an employee until the successful completion of training. Since he wasn't an employee, he didn't disclose that he went through their training on his application. When his PRIA paperwork came back, the powers that be at Eagle were furious and fired him (he had already finished training at Eagle).

The point is, if you go through training at any 135 or 121 carrier, that carrier is required to keep records on you, whether they call you an employee or not. It's part of PRIA. So you MUST disclose going through ground school, even if you are told you are not an employee. Companies can and do fire people for not fully disclosing background information, no matter how much money they've spent on you.

Just be honest - do you have anything to hide?

 

[FR8AINTGR8]

Well, I guess I'm going to have to call the HR people at the company that I interviewed at and ask them what they think? I did't disclose I was there during my interview, since the pria says "current or previous employers" but I guess I'll send them another PRIA form and just hope they don't think I'm shady or trying to hide something from them, because honest to god I'm not. It's such a dang shame though, I KNEW I should've never started ground school, I KNEW i wouldn't like it, shiznit.