Hawker 800XP2 (AP Blended Winglets) and a (GV GEx Fractional) while we wait.

[Senior_Citizen]

Our CEO considers to buy an Hawker 800XP and to upgrade it with tha API's Blended Winglets, this as an interim solution prior to the incoporation to our fleet of an Dassault Falcon 7x (or 5x) or a Global 5000 in 2 or 3 years.

The H800xp has a good reputation, and the BW gives it an good performance impovement (~7% more range ~1/2 hour), the available budget for this plane is estrictly 9MM US$.

We also plan to purchase a fractional for about 100hr on a large jet (a GV or GEx) while we wait.

Does any one adverse this solution? Any suggestion?

 

[banned username 2]

Since you are going to get a Falcon later, here is a bunch of Falcon 50's for sale with a good handful under your $9.0M USD restriction.

http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/list.asp?guid=872E943A1E0442B38128229423DBE8E9&etid=1&setype=1&mdltxt=falcon50&MdlX=CONTAINS&FullText=falcon+50&PCID=

I think it is a better plane than the Hawker, plus has better short field numbers.

 

[sydeseet]

"Current Position: The winds of change are blowing..."

In a good way I hope.



(In either event can I have your job?????........) Nudge, nudge

 

[banned username 2]

"Current Position: The winds of change are blowing..."

In a good way I hope.



(In either event can I have your job?????........) Nudge, nudge

Well it took a week, but you are the first person to notice that!

Yes, it is in a good way... More details to come!

 

[sydeseet]

Well it took a week, but you are the first person to notice that!

Yes, it is in a good way... More details to come!

Which makes me a perfect candidate for your job! I'm even from the Midwest! I could learn to like da Cubs........

Hope the "winds" are kind to you!

 

[slowto250]

Since you are going to get a Falcon later, here is a bunch of Falcon 50's for sale with a good handful under your $9.0M USD restriction.

http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/list.asp?guid=872E943A1E0442B38128229423DBE8E9&etid=1&setype=1&mdltxt=falcon50&MdlX=CONTAINS&FullText=falcon+50&PCID=

I think it is a better plane than the Hawker, plus has better short field numbers.

Not to mention the higher DOC's and down time.

 

[bigD]

Word on the street is that Falcon Capt is being sent to school for the Legacy.

He'll have to change his screen name to WSCoD Capt.

 

[Senior_Citizen]

The Falcon 50 is not an option, with our budget the best we can get have more than 8000 hr TT, our CEO does not consider any thing with more than 3000 hr TT, in 2 or 3 yr we will add 1200 hr or more, and of course the DOC's and down timw are higher.

This afternoons we (my boss and me) speak, and he is considering now some options for a new (or almost new) plane, in the mid size category, but I don't know what's he is thinking, today also I suggest her instead to wait a long time for the Falcon or the G5000, to purchase a new G350 or a DA900DX and for the very very few flight that aren't apropriate for this plane (maybe only one a year) to charter it when required. But he was fascinated with the 7x also the G5000 (me too, but he has the money). I said to him that isn't logical to spend 10MM$ more for one or two flights a year, of course the advantages of having the plane ready are valuable, but an plane like the G350 or the 900DX in emergencies can cover the trip with only one refueling stop.

The H800XP2 as I can see, is an solid and economical plane, and looks impressive (now more with the winglets). I think he must to talk to Gulf or Dassault and ask about the backlogs.

 

[banned username 2]

Word on the street is that Falcon Capt is being sent to school for the Legacy.

He'll have to change his screen name to WSCoD Capt.

 

[semperfido]

next time proof read your post--it just doesn't make a lot of sense. if you can't afford the big iron, just buy a wscod.....sorry couldn't help myself.

The Falcon 50 is not an option, with our budget the best we can get have more than 8000 hr TT, our CEO does not consider any thing with more than 3000 hr TT, in 2 or 3 yr we will add 1200 hr or more, and of course the DOC's and down timw are higher.

This afternoons we (my boss and me) speak, and he is considering now some options for a new (or almost new) plane, in the mid size category, but I don't know what's he is thinking, today also I suggest her instead to wait a long time for the Falcon or the G5000, to purchase a new G350 or a DA900DX and for the very very few flight that aren't apropriate for this plane (maybe only one a year) to charter it when required. But he was fascinated with the 7x also the G5000 (me too, but he has the money). I said to him that isn't logical to spend 10MM$ more for one or two flights a year, of course the advantages of having the plane ready are valuable, but an plane like the G350 or the 900DX in emergencies can cover the trip with only one refueling stop.

The H800XP2 as I can see, is an solid and economical plane, and looks impressive (now more with the winglets). I think he must to talk to Gulf or Dassault and ask about the backlogs.

 

[sleepy]

Wait, you can't afford a DA-50 because your aircraft budget is only $9 million, but you have a $35 million Falcon 7x on order? I don't understand your company's accounting practices? You can't justify a long range aircraft, so you bought a 100 hours in a G-V, but you have a DA-7x on order (hint, hint, it's a long range aircraft).

What is it that you wanted to ask again?

 

[Senior_Citizen]

Wait, you can't afford a DA-50 because your aircraft budget is only $9 million, but you have a $35 million Falcon 7x on order? I don't understand your company's accounting practices? You can't justify a long range aircraft, so you bought a 100 hours in a G-V, but you have a DA-7x on order (hint, hint, it's a long range aircraft).

What is it that you wanted to ask again?

Our Budget is 9MM$ after ordering (and taking cashflow previsions) the DA-7X or the G5000, we are planning right now no plane is undeway. - I'm not confused, sorry if I confuse you -.

Our Company has a single owner (new rich also), he comes from the software industry and he made millions in few years, need I say more about my peculiar position, now we flight a CJ2, I'm not a professional Airman, I only have a CFI ME licensea and few hours logged -no jet time-, but my boss is also an old friend.

My boss don want to spend a lot of money on a interim plane, so the restrictions.

The DA7X costs 39MM$ including all the options my boss selected.
The G5000 in short time will have a new cockpit identical to the Falcon's EASY, its ticker coud rise to 36MM$
Dasault also considers a Falcon 5X for 35MM$ (a shortened range 7x with less fuel capacity the same as the 900DX to the 900EX and the G350 to the G450, the same plane, less fuel, less price).

 

[Senior_Citizen]

next time proof read your post--it just doesn't make a lot of sense. if you can't afford the big iron, just buy a wscod.....sorry couldn't help myself.

I readed th WSCofD joke, The legacy can't land on some of the fields we visit, I Embraer (in my opinion) builds good quality cheap Airliners, but they don't undersand the corporate market.

 

[pa56pa]

Just read through the lines...

next time proof read your post--it just doesn't make a lot of sense. if you can't afford the big iron, just buy a wscod.....sorry couldn't help myself.

O cmon Semper... cud be just a language barrier... Senior is not pronounced (C -nyor, perhaps the latin Senyor?) Spelling isn't necessary these days when using posts, pm-ing, or texting, etc.etc.etc. Just read through the lines...

 

[AA717driver]

Big D--Man! You're a little harsh on ol' Falcon Capt... He'd fall on his sword before he'd fly a WSCoD... (unless they paid him BIG bucks, that is)


On topic, the lead time for G450's is almost 12 mos. Don't know about the G350. I doubt it is much less.TC

 

[sleepy]

Our Budget is 9MM$ after ordering (and taking cashflow previsions) the DA-7X or the G5000, we are planning right now no plane is undeway. - I'm not confused, sorry if I confuse you -.

Our Company has a single owner (new rich also), he comes from the software industry and he made millions in few years, need I say more about my peculiar position, now we flight a CJ2, I'm not a professional Airman, I only have a CFI ME licensea and few hours logged -no jet time-, but my boss is also an old friend.

My boss don want to spend a lot of money on a interim plane, so the restrictions.

The DA7X costs 39MM$ including all the options my boss selected.
The G5000 in short time will have a new cockpit identical to the Falcon's EASY, its ticker coud rise to 36MM$
Dasault also considers a Falcon 5X for 35MM$ (a shortened range 7x with less fuel capacity the same as the 900DX to the 900EX and the G350 to the G450, the same plane, less fuel, less price).

Thanks for the clearing that up. I don't think that I was the only one confused by your post. Now that I understand it, I would say sure, get the Hawker until the 7x arrives. It has been about 6 years since I was in a Hawker 800XP, but I would say that it is a very good aircraft (I don't know anything about the winglet mod though). With that much cash, it's a shame that your rich friend can't spring for a few more million $ to get you into a used DA-50. It might be good to practice in a smaller Falcon before you tackle the 7x and the Easy cockpit.

Let me see if I understand this also, you are friends with the rich guy, and he hired you to fly the 7x with 300 TT and a CFI? That should be a great time-builder for you! How much experience does your co-pilot have?

 

[Snakum]

How much experience does your co-pilot have?

Actually, I'm going to be his FO. Since he has an MEI, he's going to get me ready for the Com/ME ride in the Hawker before the Falcon gets here.

Sure, there's lots of switches and stuff. But we'll have books and manuals and what-not. Shouldn't be too hard.


Minhberg

 

[GIVDrvr]

I wouldn't waste too much time on that thar book learnin'

 

[fatburger]

Is the global 5000 updating their cockpit? Did I read that previous post correctly?

-fatburger-

 

[Senior_Citizen]

- No Tricks -

Let me see if I understand this also, you are friends with the rich guy, and he hired you to fly the 7x with 300 TT and a CFI? That should be a great time-builder for you! How much experience does your co-pilot have?

No, I'm acting only a reliance advisor. I don't fly nothing (also as co-pilot), we have an south-american Chief pilot, he has an ATP rating and ~6000 hr (PIC), also two more pilots for SIC but they don't have ATP (they have about 2000hr ea, because their PIC time isn't enoug to get the ATP), but both are ceritified on our CJ2, we also have a 200 HR/yr on a fractional. We are based outside the US.

I have plans to get mi own rating on the CJ2 later, but I have no plans to be a crew member of my fiend's planes, this will rise our insurance to the moon, I'm aslo partner of my friend in other business, so I don't need to fly for money.

When we incorporate the new plane, we will hire a second Captain with enough time to keep our insurance decent, also if required we will finance the type rating.

I have plans to later buy my friend's CJ2 for my personal use, only if I get the finnacing from my friend, then maybe I'll fly this plane with the accompaniment of an experimented Captain, just to keep the insurance low .

I know that many kids enters to this forum and also invent many fantasies, just rely on me, I'm only wan't good information, I know that many things I read here could be lies, but I 'll valorate what is true or not.