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ERJFO

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Anyone know if they still have an SEA base? I imagine it's very senior but just looking for details...
 
I never knew they had any mainland bases....Any others?

I would love to work there. Live in SEA now that would be cool even if it took a while to get if I made it there.

From what I have heard a lot of senior guys like the 717 island runs, making the 76 slightly more junior is that still true?
 
Yes, we have a SEA base, and it is more senior than the HNL base. Right now it is running about 8 years seniority to bid as the bottom FO. We used to have SFO and LAX bases too, but they were closed in the 'money saving' concessions from the union during the bankruptcy a couple of years ago. There are some rumors that the company is looking to re-open another west coast base again, either LAX or LAS. That will probably become more clear once our new MEC takes office in March. If they do open another west coast base, that one and SEA should go more junior than just SEA does now.

About half our guys have been recalled, leaving 52 still on the street. The 98 of us that had been out at least three years got our first recalls last spring, and we were in class in May '06. With a little luck (and maybe a few more airplanes) the rest will all be back within a year or two.

Both the 767 and 717 are about equal now in terms of seniority. On the last recall only the bottom two didn't get a choice of aircraft, and they went to the 717. The growth is in the 767 though, so it shouldn't take them long to be able to bid what they want.

It's still a great place to work, and oddly enough, we finally have a nearly-industry-standard contract, although that's because the industry came down to us instead of the other way around. It's good people, great training, and interesting flying.

HAL
 
Thanks HAL!

Any west coast commuters to HNL? How is the commute if any do it? How are the trips? Can they be commutable? Thanks!
 
HAL said:
Yes, we have a SEA base, and it is more senior than the HNL base. Right now it is running about 8 years seniority to bid as the bottom FO. We used to have SFO and LAX bases too, but they were closed in the 'money saving' concessions from the union during the bankruptcy a couple of years ago. There are some rumors that the company is looking to re-open another west coast base again, either LAX or LAS. That will probably become more clear once our new MEC takes office in March. If they do open another west coast base, that one and SEA should go more junior than just SEA does now.

About half our guys have been recalled, leaving 52 still on the street. The 98 of us that had been out at least three years got our first recalls last spring, and we were in class in May '06. With a little luck (and maybe a few more airplanes) the rest will all be back within a year or two.

Both the 767 and 717 are about equal now in terms of seniority. On the last recall only the bottom two didn't get a choice of aircraft, and they went to the 717. The growth is in the 767 though, so it shouldn't take them long to be able to bid what they want.

It's still a great place to work, and oddly enough, we finally have a nearly-industry-standard contract, although that's because the industry came down to us instead of the other way around. It's good people, great training, and interesting flying.

HAL
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Good to hear you got back to Hawaiian.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Better call me back soon, I don't know if I meet the Delta profile ;)
 
What about the poolies at HAL? Are they still going to be called, or will they have to re-interview? Also, does anyone know how many of the furloughed guys/gals are coming back to HAL?
 
Commuting out of SEA isn't ALL that terrible. The guys at HAL and NWA are really good about getting us to and from work. It does make for long days though. Someone needs to start a redeye or get Alaska up and running!
 
Hansoma said:
Better call me back soon, I don't know if I meet the Delta profile ;)
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What, Delta won't take 312 hours and a type rating in a cub? :D

Jaffo said:
What about the poolies at HAL? Are they still going to be called, or will they have to re-interview? Also, does anyone know how many of the furloughed guys/gals are coming back to HAL?
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I'm afraid the poolies are on their own again. Anyone who was swimming in 2001 will have to re-interview. I'm pretty sure some sort of preference will be given to them this time around, but since there hasn't been an interview board or hiring process set up for over six years, I think they'll have to start from scratch again.

I think a large majority of the furloughees will come back, although the farther down the list we go that may change a little. Those people were with us for less than two years, and may have jobs now with a lot more seniority. Most of the people who have bypassed so far are merely waiting (for one reason or another) to come back at a later date. I know of a couple people who will hit age 60 before they get recalled, but otherwise I'd bet there will only be a handful of people who don't return (and that says something about the company and people who work here).

ERJFO said:
Any west coast commuters to HNL? How is the commute if any do it? How are the trips? Can they be commutable? Thanks!
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Probably a quarter to a third of the 767 crews commute from the west coast. As long as you live near one of our destinations it's pretty easy. We do have a couple people with a screw loose somewhere that commute out of places like Colorado and Washington DC(!!), but those are the exceptions. I commute out of SEA, and it hasn't been a problem yet. I try and bid for my flights to be bunched together so I'll work from six to maybe ten days in a row, then be home for four to seven days at a time. If you bid reserve you could even bid all your days together (18) then have 12 days off in a row. Occasionally it gets difficult, like when I work a LAS trip and get back too late to catch our SEA flight home on the last day, but then I'll commute back through LAS (our last departure of the afternoon) and catch the midnight AWA flight out of there for SEA. It all depends on how much work you want to put into the commute, but in general, yes, you can make a decent life out of it.

AQ PILOT said:
Someone needs to start a redeye or get Alaska up and running!
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Last I heard, Alaska had shelved their ETOPS plans for now. It seems they ran into the same problems others have in flying 737's to Hawaii out of places like SEA and ANC - it's too far and the winds too strong to be able to take a financially viable amount of passengers, baggage, and freight. Which means Alaska may either decide to shelve it, buy bigger planes, or...maybe a merger?? (Just kidding!).

HAL
 
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HAL...brutal, don't tease me like that ;0) Have you guys heard anything about us over there? We keep hearing the rumor that something has happened and we'll like it, but it's always just a rumor...
 
We do have a couple people with a screw loose somewhere that commute out of places like Colorado and Washington DC(!!)

I suppose that was directed my way??
 
I keep hearing the rumor that everybody should be back at Hawaiian by the end of this summer. I hope it does indeed happen.
 
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Dunkerley has told some pilots that everyone would be recalled by the end of 2007?

take that for what it's worth, but it wouldn't be a surprise. There will probably massive recalling (double time) for the pilots here once our Summer schedule ramps up.
 
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Triple time for now. That recall list on the FCIS was pretty long.
 
I applied to HAL right before the hiring stopped. I didn't have any rec's there, but it sure did seem like a neat place to work. I would have moved to HNL in a heartbeat...and probably had to live in a cardboard box.
 
HAWAII

Hawaiian Holdings board member quits

Don Carty, the former chairman and chief executive of American Airlines' parent, has resigned from the board of directors at Hawaiian Holdings Inc. for personal reasons.

Carty, who had been on the board of Hawaiian Airlines' parent since July 2004, had served as chairman of the audit committee and as a member of the compensation committee. His resignation does not reflect any disagreement with Hawaiian Holdings, according to yesterday's filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.



Sounds like a disagreement in accounting principles? To be continued........
 
StrangeBrew said:
HAWAII

Hawaiian Holdings board member quits

Don Carty, the former chairman and chief executive of American Airlines' parent, has resigned from the board of directors at Hawaiian Holdings Inc. for personal reasons.


Sounds like a disagreement in accounting principles? To be continued........
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Isn't THIS a more plausible reason?!

Ex-American Airlines CEO joins Virgin's new U.S. venture
EXCLUSIVE: Don Carty talks about Virgin America, where he becomes chairman.
by Andy Serwer, FORTUNE editor at large
February 7, 2006: 11:44 AM EST

NEW YORK (FORTUNE) - Former American Airlines CEO Don Carty has agreed to serve as chairman of Virgin America, the start-up airline backed in part by Virgin CEO Richard Branson.
FORTUNE spoke exclusively with Carty outside the offices of the Department of Transportation in Washington on Monday.
Virgin America appoints former American Airlines CEO Don Carty as chairman. CNN's Andy Serwer reports. (February 7) Play video

Carty, 59, is joining the company to balance out the board. He will be the "airline brain" for the majority owners of Virgin America, an investment company called VAI partners, which is owned by Black Canyon Capital and Cyrus Capital. A source points out that VAI is a financial buyer with no operating expertise. VAI will count on Carty to provide that.
"I'm really excited about the business plan that Virgin America has," said Carty. "We have an awful lot of capital, a very good management team. And the Virgin brand is just the icing on the cake."
 
FlickerFade said:
Isn't THIS a more plausible reason?!

Ex-American Airlines CEO joins Virgin's new U.S. venture
EXCLUSIVE: Don Carty talks about Virgin America, where he becomes chairman.
by Andy Serwer, FORTUNE editor at large
February 7, 2006: 11:44 AM EST

NEW YORK (FORTUNE) - Former American Airlines CEO Don Carty has agreed to serve as chairman of Virgin America, the start-up airline backed in part by Virgin CEO Richard Branson.
FORTUNE spoke exclusively with Carty outside the offices of the Department of Transportation in Washington on Monday.
Virgin America appoints former American Airlines CEO Don Carty as chairman. CNN's Andy Serwer reports. (February 7)
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You left no room for the Hawaiian drama ...................story ended.
 
mdanno808 said:
Ask the AA guys.
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I flew under Carty as CEO. That one story about bonuses is way overblown when given all of the facts. AND AA has avoided bankruptcy and stripping of its pensions. He is a typical airline manager but no scumbag.

Certainly did no harm to Hawaiian.
 
mdanno808 said:
No he didn't do anything at HAL, but the AA guys felt strongly enough to force him out.

PS The typical airline manager is a scumbag.
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We really don't know what influence he had at HA, things are good. I don't think that any pilot group can force out a CEO.

But that's a pretty serious indictment of the managers in the profession You (we) are placing our whole career/financial futures in. It is a choice to work at an airline. No one is forcing us to work under such "scumbags". So we can disagree on these points.

Talk with you next month.
 

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