Hawaiian June 2 class!

[CALRepublic]

Is HAL helping out their Aloha ALPA buddies???

NetJets is helping out the "Aloha Buddies". Several hired so far.

 

[Mamma]

I have read that POS operation GO Jets out there is a money loser. Is it on its way out or are they still trying to destroy HA? I really hope they go out of business. I can't believe they find pilots who are willing to participate in such a BS operation...well yes I can. The kind that fall asleep at the wheel. Hopefully Mesa as a whole croaks. Do you guys let them jumpseat?

 

[Dan Roman]

I haven't heard anyone say they have a problem with the Go pilot's. They are welcome on my jumpseat anytime so long as they are not traveling on company business. It's JO that is the problem. His deceit and lack of ethics has caused him more problems than it has caused Hawaiian.
FWIW, even with Aloha shutting down, Go has not done as good as it should have and Hawaiian is doing very well. There is a lot of local resentment towards Go from more than just the airline community. For every person that thinks Go is "good for Hawaii" you can find a lot more that think they are not or that simply refuse to fly on them. Hawaiian used to have strong competition inter-island. Now they have very weak competition.

 

[Mamma]

It is nice to see JO starting to see consequences from his lack of ethics and poor management decisions.

 

[bruddahgoose]

Anyone knows who makes the final decision as to who gets called for the final drug, psych and background test? It seems that the few HAL pilots I talked to don't really know. I went through the interview process, up to the group screening. I have been waiting for a week now. I know others have been waiting for several weeks too. Anybody knows if Sue Y. or Ray M. make the selection?

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

NetJets is helping out the "Aloha Buddies". Several hired so far.

I've heard some getting interviews but not hired.

 

[Poahi]

., Go has not done as good as it should have .... For every person that thinks Go is "good for Hawaii" you can find a lot more that think they are not or that simply refuse to fly on them. ..... Now they have very weak competition.

I'd agree with that in general, but I have to ask one question. If go! is such weak competition, why does go! have the pricing power? Hawaiian should have ignored go!'s pricing scheme. It would save Hawaiian millions.

Hawaiian took the position that if go! were to leave, prices would have gone back to what they were; but instead with Aloha out, and even with the law suit settled, prices now are (adjusted for the increase in fuel costs), are only slightly higher. Certainly less than what they were before go! started.

Since Hawaiian is the only 'real' provider in the inter-island market, why can't it's pricing practices stand alone? It's not a shot at Hawaiian, just a question.

Everyone knows that Mesa is perched on the brink of bankruptcy, so bringing new, larger aircraft just isn't going to happen and if go! can't grow and Hawaiian doesn't really have any competition, why are prices as low as $64.00.

My long term concern is that I wouldn't like to see this as a United or Northwest like irrational fight over market share at all costs. That won't work with $150 oil.

 

[Two Feathers]

...why are prices as low as $64.00.

My long term concern is that I wouldn't like to see this as a United or Northwest like irrational fight over market share at all costs. That won't work with $150 oil.

Right now it's for PR reasons. The loss of Aloha's capacity(and jobs) has already hit the community hard. Throwing a big rate hike right now wouldn't look too good. It WILL happen, just not yet.

 

[sluggo]

it's called adaptation:

IT'S CALLED GAY!

 

[HAL]

As a past class mate of HAL, you won't find a sharper, more knowelegeble guy than HAL. But a true gentleman and good guy he is! Good luck to all at Hawaiian

Jeez Carb, you trying to make me blush?? I hope everything works out for you over there, even though the monkey class is dropping like flies. Who's next? And would the rumored furloughs get up to your level?

HAL

 

[bruddahgoose]

Anybody got the call yet for next week class?

 

[xrated]

Jeez Carb, you trying to make me blush?? I hope everything works out for you over there, even though the monkey class is dropping like flies. Who's next? And would the rumored furloughs get up to your level?

HAL

LOL, depends on what rumor you want to believe. I've heard we'll be gone in two weeks, end of summer, first of the year, end of next year, and never (because of LOA?). I take it as it goes, and am trying to line some stuff up. Frankly, not too worried(yet). DC has so much going on outside of flying, he should be good. Sounds like the chick has some connections in SOCAL. Spoke to RB and he has some things brewing. KL and JT, troubling! AC, enough said. Not sure about TS, and Honey's wife could strip and they'd be good.

Good to hear from you HAL.

Chat at you soon,

Carb

 

[steveg]

You had to go there about the wife? Sheesh man, I just woke up and did not need that image.

 

[whymeworry?]

I haven't heard anyone say they have a problem with the Go pilot's. They are welcome on my jumpseat anytime so long as they are not traveling on company business. It's JO that is the problem. His deceit and lack of ethics has caused him more problems than it has caused Hawaiian.
FWIW, even with Aloha shutting down, Go has not done as good as it should have and Hawaiian is doing very well. There is a lot of local resentment towards Go from more than just the airline community. For every person that thinks Go is "good for Hawaii" you can find a lot more that think they are not or that simply refuse to fly on them. Hawaiian used to have strong competition inter-island. Now they have very weak competition.

So true. Last week my mother got stuck on Maui. She ID-90'd there with a one-way ticket assuming was my airline had a ticket counter there to buy the return tkt. We dont. With no way back, she elected to wait until the next morning to travel back to HNL on Hawaiian, on a full-fare ticket, rather than fly out on go! that night. I've trained her well.

 

[whymeworry?]

At my former airline, we lost the hiring process to HR. Over an 18 month period they hired 1,000 HR-type pilots. Many of them turned out to be problematic during upgrade and at other phases of their career. The company later admitted it made a mistake when it allowed HR to hire pilots. Many highly qualified pilots were turned down in favor of a warm-and-fuzzy HR selectee with very little experience. We eventually teamed up the union with flight ops to take back control of the hiring.

I suggest you wrestle back control of the hiring process at Hawaiian or you may regret it down the road in ways you're not envisioning right now. Problems include litigious issues on layovers, excess money spent for sim training, and back-stabbing: F/Os writing up captains in the cockpit, etc. I remember the case of one of our 10,000+ hr captains being written up by an F/O. The F/O was a hard-core right winger, the captain was a liberal. Despite the fact that their politics were polar opposites, the captain thought they were getting along. Four days later he gets called in. The F/O wrote a book on this guy. That capt was sent for a "fitness-for-duty" eval as a result. He spent two months off w/o pay for it. The technicality they got him on? Reading the USA Today in the cockpit (nevermind that the F/O was reading also). He eventually got past it. He is a B737 Captain for a Major now.

The point is though, sometimes these HR driven processes hire the wrong individuals for this job. Be careful. Flight Ops should never lose control of hiring.