Hawaiian-Aloha "axis"

[islandhopper]

Hawaiian Air Moves to Keep Mesa Out

Full Story Click Here (3 pages long)

Our two airlines are being accused of running an axis out here in Hawaii. I suppose we should just bend over and let mesa slip it in?

OK Discuss.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Need to send General Lee over to HNL to sort the MESA guys out

 

[sniper]

Need to send General Lee over to HNL to sort the MESA guys out

Mesa will not fly out of HNL.

 

[FlickerFade]

Interesting read, thank you.

I didn't know that the suit actually referred to the conference call you linked. Very good.

There are a couple of factual errors in the story. One, HA is not a privately held company. Two: the inter-island business was a money loser for years. Not until post 9/11 with the exemption and Mark Dunkerly saying that HA isn't obligated to fly the routes at a loss did things turn around.

Ultimately, HA will fight to protect market share. It is not a 4 carrier market, it is a 2 carrier market. The flying public will ultimately lose out if HA and AQ are hurt. HA is #1 is numerous performance categories. Mesa is far from that.

 

[Dan Roman]

Right you are. It's one thing to provide a needed service, it's a whole neither thing if Mesa thinks it can use expensive to operate(on short haul high frequency routes) old RJ's at a loss to try and gain a foothold in the market at the expense of two airlines that in fact have been serving the State of Hawaii quite well for a long time. Their fares are generally on par with SWA for similar routes and HA/AQ have served the entire state through thick and thin. These airlines have a long history of providing community support and being the relief airlines following Hurricanes. It was Hawaiian and Aloha that provided emergency relief for Kauai after Iniki. The list goes on and on, but if Orenstein thinks he can get a foothold in Hawaii by talking trash about HA/AQ he may be sorely mistaken. Hawaii is an awesome place to live, but it doesn't take kindly to brash arseholes who come over here and think they "know better". Between HA and AQ, these 2 airlines have a lot of connections and a lot of ways to make life misarable for Mesa's efforts at trying to cherry pick our inter-island air transportation system.

 

[Erndogg]

Hawaii is an awesome place to live, but it doesn't take kindly to brash arseholes who come over here and think they "know better". Between HA and AQ, these 2 airlines have a lot of connections and a lot of ways to make life misarable for Mesa's efforts at trying to cherry pick our inter-island air transportation system.

Right on Dan! Mr. O can waste his money if he wants but in the long run HAL and AQ will prevail.

 

[Whale Rider]

Right you are. It's one thing to provide a needed service, it's a whole neither thing if Mesa thinks it can use expensive to operate(on short haul high frequency routes) old RJ's at a loss to try and gain a foothold in the market at the expense of two airlines that in fact have been serving the State of Hawaii quite well for a long time. Their fares are generally on par with SWA for similar routes and HA/AQ have served the entire state through thick and thin. These airlines have a long history of providing community support and being the relief airlines following Hurricanes. It was Hawaiian and Aloha that provided emergency relief for Kauai after Iniki. The list goes on and on, but if Orenstein thinks he can get a foothold in Hawaii by talking trash about HA/AQ he may be sorely mistaken. Hawaii is an awesome place to live, but it doesn't take kindly to brash arseholes who come over here and think they "know better". Between HA and AQ, these 2 airlines have a lot of connections and a lot of ways to make life misarable for Mesa's efforts at trying to cherry pick our inter-island air transportation system.

Dan you da Man Brah!!!!!!!!

 

[RJP]

Mesa will not fly out of HNL.

Howzat?

 

[shon7]

If not MESA it will be someone else who will start flying the interisland routes. Just a matter of time.

 

[RJP]

If not MESA it will be someone else who will start flying the interisland routes. Just a matter of time.

It's been done before. Do your homework next time youngster.

 

[islandhopper]

If not MESA it will be someone else who will start flying the interisland routes. Just a matter of time.

Maybe United? Oh wait they tried it before too. Hey I got an idea! Let's use super cheap old Japanese YS-11 turboprops, we can get them for free almost! Oh wait, they tried that before too. How about if we get the owner of the biggest tour bus company in Hawaii to buy some airplanes? That might work too! He can take his tourists from the hotels on his own busses right to the airplanes! GENIUS!

 

[Whale Rider]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ornstein

"I would urge people to fly Aloha"

Jonny O should shoot commercials for AQ..................:laugh:

 

[KCSO780]

Next you'll hear, News flash, Mesa is going to put their size RJ up the rear/a$$ of AS for running the show in Alaska. Put that in your igloo and smoke it....

 

[islandhopper]

bumpity

 

[HAL]

Next you'll hear, News flash, Mesa is going to put their size RJ up the rear/a$$ of AS for running the show in Alaska. Put that in your igloo and smoke it....

Good God. That's an even scarier proposition than Mesa flying in Hawaii! After spending a year flying around the wilds of northern Alaska in a Navajo and learning what it's all about, I'd be very, Very scared to see some Mesa newbie straight out of Farmington coming at me in Fort Yukon or Galena in an RJ. There would be bodies and aluminum scattered over the tundra before JO could even open his mouth (and that's a pretty dang short period of time).

As for the HA/AQ "axis", there are some people in business (OK, a lot) who just don't get the concept that in some niches there simply isn't room for someone to 'come in and show 'em how it's done'. Two businesses can provide healthy competition, and in our case, a knowledge of what can and can't be done that outsiders just don't know. They simply end up repeating the same mistakes again and again, often to the eventual detrement of everyone involved, including the customers.

P.S. Note that the article in the first post was dated from February of this year. A lot has changed since then.

HAL

 

[islandhopper]

the article in the first post was dated from February of this year. A lot has changed since then.

HAL

Some of JO's best quotes are from these old articles.

"These guys clearly don't want the competition," Ornstein said. "They like the fact that they can overcharge people with impunity"

Oh, really? Does he mean "overcharge" like Mesa charges in Alamogordo or Tuscon or how about Steamboat Springs? I like how he also is caught in another boldfaced lie here.

Ornstein said his decisions on entering Hawaii had nothing to do with any information made available during the bankruptcy, which were primarily copies of aircraft leases, labor contracts and ground leases.

liar liar pants on fire! HA's INJUNCTION FILING HERE