Hawaiian Airlines?

[dueguard1]

Anyone knoow if Hawaiian has any hiring projections for 2005 (Mins, Good & Bad on the Company)????

Also, what are some of the other pilot bases besides Oahu?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

With 20% of their pilots on furlough (about 100, last I heard), I doubt they will be hiring much new blood in 2005. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Whale Rider]

Try:

www.HALpilot.com for the latest at Hawaiian. 98 on furlough.

Keep the Faith!!!!!

 

[Jim]

I doubt there will be any new hiring in 2005. There are 98 of us on furlough and the only new flying announced so far for 2005 is a doubling of the HNL-LAS flights. I expect some recalls this spring for the LAS flying and retirements, but not enough to bring us all back.

Hopefully we will get the bankruptcy settled in early 2005 and that will lead to growth and recalls.

When hiring starts, expect tough competition. There are a lot of HAL pilots with family and friends they want hired. HAL has always been big on internal recommendations.

 

[English]

I think HNL is now the only pilot base, right? I think the West Coast bases were closed a few years ago in a cost-cutting move.

 

[Jim]

HNL is the only 717 base and has the majority of the 767 pilots. There is a small SEA 767 base.

BTW, you are not going to get anything but newspaper articles off halpilot.com. The good stuff is all password protected.

 

[Erndogg]

The latest is 10-15 out of the 98 on furlough will be recalled early next year (for extra LAS flight).
If more flying is added-example HNL-BWI-HNL it would mean 30-35 recalls.
Hawaiian is currently bidding to acquire ATA's Hawaiian operations and maybe all of their 757-300's. They want to free up the 767-300ER's for Asia/East coast USA expansion.
I dont know, but things could change overnight here or they could stay the same?? But I know that they want to get out of Chap 11 (should of not been there in the first place) fast and expand.

 

[HAL]

Direct from the mouth of the chief pilot within the last week;


Probably about 10 recalls around April with training finished by summer, mostly due to retirements. Management wants to stretch the manpower even further for the new LAS flights so that isn't the reason for the recalls - only the retirements.

They have been looking to acquire up to 12 of the 757's from ATA. Since America West backed out on the deal to buy the entire airline it is quite possible they'll be available. But the cost is unknown, and that is why AWA ended the deal, so who knows if HAL would be interested. If all 12 are brought over by HAL, then certainly all furloughees would be brought back and additonal hiring would commence.

On the other hand, if the new owners decide not to get the additional planes, and if the contract negotiations end up with additional work rule changes (more hours, fewer pilots) then there might not be any recalls, and a few more might be back on the streets. It's pretty much impossible to tell right now until HAL's contract is settled, and the ATA mess works itself out.

HAL

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Direct from the mouth of the chief pilot within the last week;


Probably about 10 recalls around April with training finished by summer, mostly due to retirements. Management wants to stretch the manpower even further for the new LAS flights so that isn't the reason for the recalls - only the retirements.

They have been looking to acquire up to 12 of the 757's from ATA. Since America West backed out on the deal to buy the entire airline it is quite possible they'll be available. But the cost is unknown, and that is why AWA ended the deal, so who knows if HAL would be interested. If all 12 are brought over by HAL, then certainly all furloughees would be brought back and additonal hiring would commence.

On the other hand, if the new owners decide not to get the additional planes, and if the contract negotiations end up with additional work rule changes (more hours, fewer pilots) then there might not be any recalls, and a few more might be back on the streets. It's pretty much impossible to tell right now until HAL's contract is settled, and the ATA mess works itself out.

HAL

Do you see yourself going back if you get recalled HAL? Would be a tough call imo.

I'm surprised why HAL doesn't serve the East Coast with non-stop flight already?

 

[Jim]

HAL,

On the other hand, the MEC says that HAL is currently undermanned per the formula in the contract. They are calling for a systems board to review the manning. With the LAS expansion and the normal summer increase in flying on the other routes and interisland, they say we will be even more undermanned. So probably a few more recalls (15 to 20 total) by summer.

Plus, the MEC and pilot group is in a no more give back mode. With the 100% pay back to the creditors (read the "new" Hawaiian Holdings since they bought the majority of the debt back at 60 cents on the dollar), the large management bonuses and the profitability of the airline over the last 18 months - there will be no more concessions unless it is court ordered. This includes any more work rule changes to increase "efficiency". Further, after the last concessions, I doubt that there are any more "efficiencies" to be gained.

If the court does nullify the contract, than there will probably be a stike. But I doubt it will come to that because management will have a hard time proving to the judge the airline can not be profitable with the current contract (which is required for the judge to cancel it). Hard to prove when you have made huge operational profits for 17 of the last 19 months, especially when it would be all 19 months if you take the bankruptcy cost out. And according to the MEC, that profit is calculated as if HAL was paying all its bills and not withholding any money due to the bankruptcy.

Remeber, the CP is management. He says what Gutbomb, Glasscow and Handjob want him to say.



ILStominimums,

HAL planned on announcing serve to NYC on 9/15/2001 and than shortly after that to at least 2 more east coast destinations. Than, for agreeing to concessions, we were supposed to start NYC and Japan in the fall of 2003. HAL management is so focused on squeezing more blood from the employee contracts that they are missing opportunities left and right. We cringe everytime we see other carriers add flights. Recently, HAL management applied to fly to China but were not smart enough to get the HNL mayor's support. He recently wrote the Secretary of Transportation a letter supporting North American's bid to fly to China through HNL. How can HAL managment let local politicians support mainland carriers without comment? Now Aloha is talking about HNL-LAS-NYC. They will probably beat us to it. HAL management and Hawaiian Holdings (owners) only concern is transferring HAL money to Holdings stockholders. Thier plan of reorganization makes John Admas look like Santa Claus. Why start new routes to make money when you can just squeeze it out of the employees?

 

[English]

Now Aloha is talking about HNL-LAS-NYC.

Where'd you hear this?

 

[RJP]

English, you didn't get the memo?

 

[Freight Dog]

English, you didn't get the memo?

About the TPS reports?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

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[Hugh Jorgan]

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[English]

Funny guys...very funny...

My question was, how did JIM hear about it? Is he taking comments made here at face value, or did he hear it elsewhere?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I've heard the same thing from a very unreliable source.

 

[Erndogg]

[ HAL management and Hawaiian Holdings (owners) only concern is transferring HAL money to Holdings stockholders. Thier plan of reorganization makes John Admas look like Santa Claus. Why start new routes to make money when you can just squeeze it out of the employees?[/QUOTE]

I am sick and tired of these jerks coming into Hawaiian and rapping us. I will not support any other conncessionary offer that is on the table-especially productivity!!! (we need to get our guys/gals on furlough back!!!).

As for our negotiations with the company last week-nothing was resolved and the clock is ticking....... Hershfield is not going to be happy if these nogiations drag on and on because of the 80 mill plus he has invested- (he though we would roll over and give him what he wanted). They want a confirmation hearing for his plan at the end of Jan which is a pipe dream now!! (we still have to vote on the contract).

With Bob Konop's (HAL pilot) competing plan making Hershfield nervous now-our negotiating team has the advantage. They can just sit back and say NO!! to all the crap the company is trying to throw at them.

Plus I hear from my buddy at ATA Alpa that we put in a bid for ATA's Hawaiian operations??? Go figure-they want to finance an aquisition on our backs?? (No offense to the ATA guys). These are the kind of people who are destroying our way of life and our industry with their misguided decisions!! For all the other guys/gals out there good luck!! on fighting these management/owner types.

 

[On Your Six]

What's the deal with the new owners - Ranch Capital? Anyone know how they will treat labor or will it be another USAirways scenario?

 

[Jim]

Funny guys...very funny...

My question was, how did JIM hear about it? Is he taking comments made here at face value, or did he hear it elsewhere?

I heard it from a couple of HAL pilots during their lay over here in LAS. They were pi$$ed off that Aloha might beat us to New York after HAL's talking about it for years.